Wow, Wuk Lamat is really single-handedly ruining the DT story...

[Taliriah]

It didn't bother me not to be the main character but I guess some people really didn't like that.

Rewatching a few cutscenes from DT I think I understand why they did this: they wanted to really elevate the production value of the cutscenes and were really reaching the limits of having a silent protagonist, so they made the gamble of creating wuk lamat as a stand in for the player.
Apparently people prefer everyone continuously singing the WoL's praise and the WoL nodding furiously in response. On top of that there's the other huge problem of DT: two stories crammed into one expansion because they didn't anticipate and setup the story in the post msq patchs of the second to last expansion like they usually do.

We'll see how they manage to turn things around in the post patch. There's many dangling threads that could lead to interesting stories.

[Tsumdere]

It didn't bother me not to be the main character but I guess some people really didn't like that.

Rewatching a few cutscenes from DT I think I understand why they did this: they wanted to really elevate the production value of the cutscenes and were really reaching the limits of having a silent protagonist, so they made the gamble of creating wuk lamat as a stand in for the player.
Apparently people prefer everyone continuously singing the WoL's praise and the WoL nodding furiously in response. On top of that there's the other huge problem of DT: two stories crammed into one expansion because they didn't anticipate and setup the story in the post msq patchs of the second to last expansion like they usually do.

We'll see how they manage to turn things around in the post patch. There's many dangling threads that could lead to interesting stories.

I've yet to see a single one of these mythical "people want to be the main character" posts.

[Midare]

I've yet to see a single one of these mythical "people want to be the main character" posts.

In Stormblood, I was made to follow Lyse and Hien.

Lyse I didn't like from the start, didn't care for Yda or her "big reveal".

Hien, however, was a delight to see. He was a good character with a crazy idea that made you think he could actually make it work.

I enjoyed being a sidekick to a good character. I uttered the loudest "YES!" when I saw Lyse was leaving the scions.

[ThorneDynasty]

The whole "you just want everyone to suck WoL's dick all the time" has been brought up and dismantled so many times it's getting really tiresome.

[Taliriah]

The whole "you just want everyone to suck WoL's dick all the time" has been brought up and dismantled so many times it's getting really tiresome.

Are we reading the same thread? People continuously complain that the WoL isn't front and center. And people hilariously complaint that wuk lamat have "everything handed to her" by the writers when it was also how the wol was always written. People are basically complaining that wuk lamat is a mary sue when the wol themselves always was an even bigger one. The hypocrisy is hilarious and also a bit sad.

[SwadTheFrog]

Are we reading the same thread? People continuously complain that the WoL isn't front and center. And people hilariously complaint that wuk lamat have "everything handed to her" by the writers when it was also how the wol was always written. People are basically complaining that wuk lamat is a mary sue when the wol themselves always was an even bigger one. The hypocrisy is hilarious and also a bit sad.

While the WoL is absolutely a bit of a Mary Sue, you're being purposefully dismissive of the fact that the WoL actually fails. Several times, infact. WoL falls hook, line and sinker for the Sultana plot. They fail to save Iceheart or Haurchefant (even if that plotpoint is overused). They get their asses kicked by Zenos. They fail to actually contain the light in SHB and invoke Emet Selch's Ire. I'd say the one where there really is an unmitigated triumph from the WoL without any real losses was Endwalker, which felt a bit weird.

The reason I bring that up, is because Wuk NEVER fails. Nothing that happens to her has any long-standing consequences whatsoever. There is no tension when she is on screen, and it is not handwaved away by "Well, it's the PC in a MMO, they CAN'T die", which is a very convenient thing to forget when discussing this. Also, re-read the thread and you'll see that there are plenty of people happy to be sidelined and serve as a mentor or whatever, so, once more, you're being very desingenuous in your point - or you just haven't read the thread properly.

[Rannie]

While the WoL is absolutely a bit of a Mary Sue, you're being purposefully dismissive of the fact that the WoL actually fails. Several times, infact. WoL falls hook, line and sinker for the Sultana plot. They fail to save Iceheart or Haurchefant (even if that plotpoint is overused). They get their asses kicked by Zenos. They fail to actually contain the light in SHB and invoke Emet Selch's Ire. I'd say the one where there really is an unmitigated triumph from the WoL without any real losses was Endwalker, which felt a bit weird.

The reason I bring that up, is because Wuk NEVER fails. Nothing that happens to her has any long-standing consequences whatsoever. There is no tension when she is on screen, and it is not handwaved away by "Well, it's the PC in a MMO, they CAN'T die", which is a very convenient thing to forget when discussing this. Also, re-read the thread and you'll see that there are plenty of people happy to be sidelined and serve as a mentor or whatever, so, once more, you're being very desingenuous in your point - or you just haven't read the thread properly.

For those of us who played in 1.0 we the WoL FAILED to stop Dalamud's fall and the Calamity...

[fulminating]

… and it is not handwaved away by "Well, it's the PC in a MMO, they CAN'T die", which is a very convenient thing to forget when discussing this.

It would go down like a sack of bricks, but there is a way the PC could be killed and it not really matter. We have done the Zenos bodyhopping thing in the last expansion, so it should be possible to be killed and just “yeah nah” it off. I don’t trust them to do it well or not overuse it if it does work, but it might be interesting. If there is a cloning facility in solution 9, that would be a possible place to get a guilt-free replacement body too.

[Voidmage]

Are we reading the same thread? People continuously complain that the WoL isn't front and center. And people hilariously complaint that wuk lamat have "everything handed to her" by the writers when it was also how the wol was always written. People are basically complaining that wuk lamat is a mary sue when the wol themselves always was an even bigger one. The hypocrisy is hilarious and also a bit sad.

People complain that we are invisible not that we are not centerstage.
We are just the cameraman for Wuk Lamat.
People bring up Stormblood all the time as an example were we still had something to do.
Our personal beef with Zenos for example.

This is an mmorpg. The player character should have important scenes for themself.
There is no hypocrisy. There are people telling why they are dissapointed in different threads.
I advice you to read the japanese forum. They say the same thing as the players here.

[Mnemy]

People complain that we are invisible not that we are not centerstage.
We are just the cameraman for Wuk Lamat.
People bring up Stormblood all the time as an example were we still had something to do.
Our personal beef with Zenos for example.

This is an mmorpg. The player character should have important scenes for themself.
There is no hypocrisy. There are people telling why they are dissapointed in different threads.
I advice you to read the japanese forum. They say the same thing as the players here.

THIS IS WHAT I'VE BEEN SAYING! I just wanted my WoL to be a part of the story! To atleast have an importance in it! In HW and StB im fine with Alphi+Estinien and Lyse to be the MC because we are still a part of the story! We're still in the narrative and we have importance! In DT if I replace my WoL with a mannequin it wouldnt matter because our WoLs are literal fly on the wall in DT. The scions didnt have any character dev, our wol didnt, ONLY WUK LAMAT GETS THE SCREEN AND SHE DIDNT EVEN GROW WITH ALL THE SCREENTIME SHE GOT. What a waste.