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  1. #1101
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wildheaven182 View Post
    Kate is literally on video in many streams talking about pushing woke politics proudly into square enix's games.
    got a link?
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  2. #1102
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    Quote Originally Posted by smilingtolerantly View Post
    Geezus, the things people get mad about. Wuk Lamat is fine. She's like 90% of every other character in FF14. I started the expansion very meh about the story. Interest piqued halfway. Went back to meh briefly, then was piqued again for the remainder. Which, if I'm being brutally honest, is similar to just about every previous expansion (Shadowbringers might be the only one that was interesting throughout most of it).

    Is it dumb that we, the WoL, stand by and let various people die? Sure. But, it's hardly the first time. It's a fictional story in a video game. It's never been particularly sensible, and it just feels like nothing can simply be enjoyed on the internet any longer. Everything has to be dissected into problems because outrage is what gets clicks.

    As far as the voice acting, it's hard not to think there's an undertone of racism involved, as it's easy to imagine if Wuk-Lamat had a European accent, all that outrage would vanish. Personally, I'm not blind to my own biases. I don't generally associate positive vibes to South American accents. But, the VA is good, my own prejudices over the accent aside.

    Anyway, I never post. But, it just feels like everything everywhere is torn down through concerted fake outrage (that's so far down its own butthole that its essentially transformed into real outrage), and maybe normal people need to start speaking up so creators don't feel like the entire world has gone down the outrage vortex.
    In a sea of criticisms from both sides spanning over 100 pages, this has got to be the worst take imaginable regardless of where your opinion falls on Wuk Lamat and Dawntrail's MSQ on the whole.

    You cannot seriously be attempting to argue (poorly) that criticism towards the English VA is tantamount to racism? I guess we're simply not allowed to critique her performance whatsoever because, what? Hurt feelings? Putting aside the complete absurdity of such an argument, the character aspect is immediately refuted by the fact JP is equally critical of her. Could it possibly be she's an extremely divisive character a sizable portion of the fanbase simply doesn't like for no other reason than what they're voicing and not this ridiculous assumption? Nah. It's racism, guys.

    Good lord.
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    Last edited by ForteNightshade; 07-07-2024 at 08:12 AM.
    "Stand in the ashes of a trillion dead souls and ask the ghosts if honor matters."
    "The silence is your answer."


  3. #1103
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    Woke traits

    One of the traits of woke entertainment is to swap out the main character for another so you can get people to watch your content without selling it. That is what happened here. Another symptom is DEI hiring that replaces talented hires, which also happened here. It's just symptoms of wokeness which we know Square has decided to explore.
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  4. #1104
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    Quote Originally Posted by smilingtolerantly View Post
    I don't generally associate positive vibes to South American accents. But, the VA is good, my own prejudices over the accent aside.
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  5. #1105
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    I'm afraid to criticize the VA because people will start bringing other Kaiba trap cards unrelated to it to send me back to the shadow realm. But the VA does sound underwhelming compared to other characters VA *(mainly the scions). However I'd also say that it's not down to the VA themselves. How a character should sound, the accent, and how expressive they need be is down to the producers too. Most of the time the VAs are only given certain characteristics of how the character should sound and take it from there. So the producers need to decide what is acceptable to be in production. So it's a 50:50 situation. Having said that DT is the first expansion where I play with JP voice on and I don't think I'd go back now. Y'shtola sounds so good, I also prefer JP Erenville voice. I'd miss Urianger EN accent though. I was blessed to have witnessed a masterpiece of EN voice acting that is Urianger.
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  6. #1106
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lieri View Post
    I'm afraid to criticize the VA because people will start bringing other Kaiba trap cards unrelated to it to send me back to the shadow realm. But the VA does sound underwhelming compared to other characters VA *(mainly the scions). However I'd also say that it's not down to the VA themselves. How a character should sound, the accent, and how expressive they need be is down to the producers too. Most of the time the VAs are only given certain characteristics of how the character should sound and take it from there. So the producers need to decide what is acceptable to be in production. So it's a 50:50 situation. Having said that DT is the first expansion where I play with JP voice on and I don't think I'd go back now. Y'shtola sounds so good, I also prefer JP Erenville voice. I'd miss Urianger EN accent though. I was blessed to have witnessed a masterpiece of EN voice acting that is Urianger.

    They want you to be afraid, that's what makes it so much more important to criticize before the momentum picks up and this game falls to complete woke ruin like so many other games and movies. If people think this is the end, it isn't. It will only get worse if we are silent.
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    I hate rainbow capitalism as much as the next gay but I can't take people seriously who throw around woke and DEI constantly. My brain just immediately turns off.
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    it/its - 14 accessibility is bad, ease of access is not accessibility, jobs are boring. Transphobia ruins real attempts at criticism and it's whack.

  8. #1108
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    Quote Originally Posted by gllt View Post
    I hate rainbow capitalism as much as the next gay but I can't take people seriously who throw around woke and DEI constantly. My brain just immediately turns off.
    You look at all of Marvel after Endgame and you think it isn't serious? FFXIV is next on the chopping block.
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  9. #1109
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    Marvel has always been slop so I don't really care about salvaging media that started out as bottom of the barrel consumer fodder lol

    Ooh they ruined dirt, it's not as yummy anymore
    That's how I feel about all mass produced media when it comes to complaints of a drop in quality, like you're eating the equivalent banquet TV dinners of course it sucks and gets worse over time

    I'm more concerned with stuff like companies finishing entire products and cancelling them for tax write offs
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    it/its - 14 accessibility is bad, ease of access is not accessibility, jobs are boring. Transphobia ruins real attempts at criticism and it's whack.

  10. #1110
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    Voice Acting becomes a career > Trans person hired for a character that is not trans and no mention of trans appears in product, customer would not even know actor is trans if not told by a third party > OMG The cisky is falling the cisky is falling! I AM NOT BEING REPRESENTED omg I'm a victim, I'm a victim! Oh, won't someone please think of us!

    Seriously, the actor being trans has absolutely nothing to do with this poorly written expac lol. Yall are just way to suseptable to Russion/GOP (literally the same thing) propaganda and just making things up for rage cause that is what you have been programmed to do
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