Dawntrail character graphics update - opinions, requests and discussion megathread

[Gaddes]

Wow, even the little UV warp on the scar (the edge that doesn't go in a straight line) is identical. I thought "ok, this has to mean that they're using the exact same models as 6.X with better textures" but no, the chin on mobile has more polygons (it might even have more polygons than the 7.X one...).
(Glossiness aside, the normal map on the lips looks off, though, not sure what happened there.)

Yeah admittedly there's something a little weird going on with the outline of the upper lip in Mobile, it's a little smudgey/asymmetrical, but the key is that the mouth curve (in red below) is an almost identical match with the OG mouth, as opposed to the DT one that's really just a simple flat shape.
The Mobile guys definitely based their work off of pre-DT faces, while the DT guys... I dunno what they were doing. And you're right, the chin for Mobile is much smoother than the main game's.

[faiarrow]

Sighs loudly



It's a problem when a tencent game got the brief better.
- Correct brow normal maps
- Lips aren't messed up (they're not just a bracket line LOL)
- Eyes in general don't look as weird despite darker pupils vs the DT ones with the blown out mega pupils and black colour

At the right angle the jeweled pupils still kind of exist in Mobile, but the size of them absolutely helps lessen the impact of them being generally darker with expressions so they look more like what femroe used to be instead of unsettlingly uncanny. This also shows the normal map for the brows... actually existing. Whodathunk it'd make such a drastic change vs flat barbie-doll uniformity polymesh.

(Oh, right, all of us who use this face and have given feedback for OVER TWELVE MONTHS.)



If I could just... meld them together into some amalgamation (old style shaping, normal maps, *jewel eyes*, but higher quality textures) it'd be great.

[moodud]

Can anyone that tried the mobile version create male Midlander face 3 with beard please.
I wanna see high res texture beard… give me high res beard…

[Turethir]

Thancred has his original model in the mobile version. I'm glad it lives on in some way, but I'm so sad that we can't see it in the main game anymore. Please SE, give us back our Scion

Thancred's face thread

[Sairaag]

Can anyone that tried the mobile version create male Midlander face 3 with beard please.
I wanna see high res texture beard… give me high res beard…

Here you go:

[Doopliss]

I noticed immediately that in the mobile port both Midlander women and Lalafells have that dark, upper eye shading that gave their eyes that gentler appearance pre-DT.

I hate glazing macrotransactional mobile games for basically anything, but the fact they now have another version of the game with a different team that remade the models from scratch--who kept character design more accurate and consistent in many ways--is not a good look for them.

Does anybody know if male Duskwights kept their unique, clearer face textures in the mobile version? In the main game, they only managed to fix the textures for Face 2 ♂ Duskwights in 7.1, and no other fixes for any of their other faces have happened since then. I know in JP a lot of users have been trying to get Face 3 fixed still, specifically.

[faiarrow]

Does anybody know if male Duskwights kept their unique, clearer face textures in the mobile version? In the main game, they only managed to fix the textures for Face 2 ♂ Duskwights in 7.1, and no other fixes for any of their other faces have happened since then. I know in JP a lot of users have been trying to get Face 3 fixed still, specifically.

Just some quick shots before I go to work (let me know if I can help get more later!)

[Doopliss]

Just some quick shots before I go to work (let me know if I can help get more later!)

Thank you so much!

Interestingly, though, it looks like male Duskwight do still have the dark undereyes in this version. Even Face 2 has them in this version, in spite of their fix in 7.1... While I don't really hold much judgement for an entirely different team making models from the ground up for an essentially different game, I'm surprised this detail has gone unnoticed by designers every time outside of the 1.0 -> 2.0 transition. It does give a pretty drastic impression difference...

[Sairaag]

I'll post my own main character as well. Here's the change from Endwalker to Dawntrail that I've been complaining about for a year now:



That completely different mouth shape, those rounder and heavier eyelids, the faded eyebrows and so on.

And then we have the mobile version:




I just had to post him in all backgrounds, because look: not only are the sharper lines back, the creases of his eyelids actually disappear under different lighting conditions again and he once more looks bright and alert! That's the default expression I chose. That's my lad. And the eyebrows are thicker and darker, too!

One thing I do prefer in Dawntrail and it's the fully closed mouth. I know some people with female Keepers at least wanted that gap back, however, so maybe there could be a toggle when they get around to updating the character creator.

[Sairaag]

I noticed immediately that in the mobile port both Midlander women and Lalafells have that dark, upper eye shading that gave their eyes that gentler appearance pre-DT.

I hate glazing macrotransactional mobile games for basically anything, but the fact they now have another version of the game with a different team that remade the models from scratch--who kept character design more accurate and consistent in many ways--is not a good look for them.

It bothers me a lot, really. I'm not planning to actually play this mobile version, but it feels bad to see how improved and faithful to the original model my character would look on mobile and not being able to have that.