Dawntrail character graphics update - opinions, requests and discussion megathread

[glitteringcosmos]

I was told to post my opinions about the graphics update here as well.

As I said in the other post there are several reasons for me having noticed that my face is no longer my face but the major points for me right now is that her eyes are different and a bit milky. Not as bad as the characters that have lighter eyes but to me fully noticeable. Her face has a different shape, her scar is bigger and her mouth has also changed shape. On top of that the eyebrows makes her facial expressions totally different to what I am used to. I have therefor not been able to play dawntrail.

I just cannot look at her in cutscenes and see her as my friend for ten years and that to me is really sad. I know that you are doing your best to fix it and as I said before in the first post I have waited patiently for the issue to be resolved, but now that I heard that after this there won't be any major changes I must say I got worried hence the post.

To help with the differences and to show graphically how she looked before compared to now I have added screenshots of her. I hope that that will be of help to you in your work efforts.

How she looked before dawntrail

How she looks now

Showcase of horrible eyebrows

If you want to see my first post with more pictures it is linked here below.
https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...out-the-faces.

the eyebrows are the ABSOLUTE WORST. And I've submitted a ticket about it (for m miqote face 4) and I've seen some others also submit tickets, but they all got pushed to "working as intended." It's laughably bad.

[Tahli]

the eyebrows are the ABSOLUTE WORST. And I've submitted a ticket about it (for m miqote face 4) and I've seen some others also submit tickets, but they all got pushed to "working as intended." It's laughably bad.

Face 2 F Miqos have it rough with the current eyebrows.
I at least had my report on it moved to Accepted Bugs, here. Hoping they get fixed in the coming update.

[glitteringcosmos]

Face 2 F Miqos have it rough with the current eyebrows.
I at least had my report on it moved to Accepted Bugs, here. Hoping they get fixed in the coming update.

Miqos in general they dropped the ball with the eyebrows (and many other things but for the sake of this particular line of convo, the eyebrows especially). Face 4 for the boys have the eyebrows literally on the underside of the brow bone, almost on their eyelids.







I wish they'd actually listen to us instead of writing off shoddy work as "spec." I'm with you--I really, really hope they fix it in future updates.

[Doopliss]

Tbh I think that's exactly why they didn't. People who don't notice won't notice. No spotlight, less backlash.

The more rational part of me does think you're definitely right.

Unfortunately my anxiety keeps making me go back and forth... At the same time I keep feeling like showing us literally nothing reeks of a lack of confidence and dishonesty. Also at the same time, though, since they're offering another Fantasia for this patch, I hope that means the changes to the faces that differed too drastically from their originals are significant.

I just wish they would have been more honest about things that definitely read as mistakes... Duskwight men missing their clan-specific face textures, and Hellsguard's most distinct feature being nigh invisible. I also really, really, really hope they adjusted female Highlander makeup. I still feel so scared because that issue is really niche and dependent on skintone, and while a lot of my characters' face changes are upsetting because they look too different, she feels outright embarrassing to play on because it's like she can't correctly apply the eyeliner that is literally baked into her face... Buh, I'm rambling.

[Argantaelle]

I feel very uneasy too; I'm scared that they won't return my main to me and also disfigure my alt beyond recognition. (My alt's face changed less than many other gender/race combinations, but I'm still frightened nonetheless.)

Let's hope for the best. Anyway, the long wait will be over in 12 days, for better or for worse.

[HawkeScream]

The more rational part of me does think you're definitely right.

Unfortunately my anxiety keeps making me go back and forth... At the same time I keep feeling like showing us literally nothing reeks of a lack of confidence and dishonesty. At the same time, though, since they're offering another Fantasia for this patch, I hope that means the changes to the faces that differed too drastically from their originals are significant.

I just wish they would have been more honest about things that definitely read as mistakes... Duskwight men missing their clan-specific face textures, and Hellsguard's most distinct feature being nigh invisible. I also really, really, really hope they adjusted female Highlander makeup. I still feel so scared because that issue is really niche and dependent on skintone, and while a lot of my characters' face changes are upsetting because they look too different, she feels outright embarrassing to play on because it's like she can't correctly apply the eyeliner that is literally baked into her face... Buh, I'm rambling.

Oh I absolutely agree with you. On one hand I'm a little glad because it minimizes the "your character changed get over it" people who don't care at all but like to flock in and try and drown us out, but I also think by not showing examples they're also minimizing backlash, or pre-backlash, from those of us who do care and are watching it very closely in case there's a major thing that doesn't get addressed (again).

It's not rambling to talk about your concerns about your characters, that's what we're all in here for! If we weren't all talking about it, nothing would be getting done at all. I really hope the details you're unhappy with get fixed and you can enjoy your characters again. I haven't even finished DT on my middie cuz I don't want to look at her in cutscenes the way she is at the moment so I feel you =[. I've been waiting for 7.1 since they announced more adjustments before I decide what to do. Anxious final stretch, wooooo!

[Astronis]

Oh I absolutely agree with you. On one hand I'm a little glad because it minimizes the "your character changed get over it" people who don't care at all but like to flock in and try and drown us out, but I also think by not showing examples they're also minimizing backlash, or pre-backlash, from those of us who do care and are watching it very closely in case there's a major thing that doesn't get addressed (again).

They probably are also not giving any previews so that people who like the previews don't get disappointed if what they saw in a preview isn't what they get live (or do get but looks different in the live environment than they expected). Probably wise of them to head it all off and let people see what happens live rather than fretting one way or the other for two weeks. Even if it doesn't help the current fretting much.

[VerdeLuck]

It'll remain to be seen how many fixes suggested here they go with, but I'm a bit disappointed the old benchmark is gone so making side by side comparisons is getting harder and harder as we go along.
I should have saved the endwalker benchmark somewhere so I can still generate out the side by side, since people call you crazy if you say there's a difference without one in your post.

[Kaziek]

It'll remain to be seen how many fixes suggested here they go with, but I'm a bit disappointed the old benchmark is gone so making side by side comparisons is getting harder and harder as we go along.
I should ahve saved the endwalker benchmark somewhere so I can still generate out the side by side, since people call you crazy if you say there's a difference without one in your post.

It's still archived and available online. I'm not sure what the rules are for external links here but it shouldn't be too hard to find with a google search.

[HawkeScream]

They probably are also not giving any previews so that people who like the previews don't get disappointed if what they saw in a preview isn't what they get live (or do get but looks different in the live environment than they expected). Probably wise of them to head it all off and let people see what happens live rather than fretting one way or the other for two weeks. Even if it doesn't help the current fretting much.

That's a very good point too. Something from a crispy demo image in a controlled environment isn't necessarily going to translate well (good or bad, subjectively) to our screens.