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    Espon's Avatar
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    N'kilah Razhi
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    Cactuar
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    Paladin Lv 100

    Tenacity has been buffed



    I'm curious as to how much it's been improved. If it's not as good as Determination, people are still going to ignore it when melding.
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    Alondite Ragnell
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    I'd be down for Tenacity being a meta stat so I'm hoping we can move away from CRIT/CRIT2
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    Rithris Amaya
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    Paladin Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Oizen View Post
    I'd be down for Tenacity being a meta stat so I'm hoping we can move away from CRIT/CRIT2
    Direct hit needs to be a DPS only stat, (or be removed). Because having a second crit stat is just boring, we're already made to just meld both and whatever's left goes to det.

    I don't think tenacity is a stat that is designed around ff14, I mean tanks are already absurdly defensive, they shouldn't really need a meldable defensive stat that works against over stats that are better for damage, I'm not against a more interesting system where theirs actual room for that but as of current even if tenacity was meta it wouldn't make tanks anymore interesting.

    It would be refreshing to see skill speed (which side note should work for Paladin and even dark knights spells, I don't know why it doesn't), was actually more of a "meta" stat, we could have more builds that are consistent for damage and builds around crit that may have a chance of doing more but is more crit dependent.

    I do think melding is just generally just a poorly designed so I wouldn't be opposed to it going or it having a massive update in 8.0
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    Kaelie Niie
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    Gilgamesh
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    Pictomancer Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Rithy255 View Post
    I do think melding is just generally just a poorly designed so I wouldn't be opposed to it going or it having a massive update in 8.0

    Skill/spell speed - (both should be merged lol) I think skill speed should scale so that crit isn't always the best meld, where skill would be a more "consistent pick" and crit can be ur highest peak pick.
    Melding non crafted gear should just be removed at this point. We'd do better with a "relic state reforging" system than anything else. As for Tenacity, if they want us to want it then they need to force it down our throats. Its not like this is WoW and we have a wide breadth of gearing choice. We literally have 2 sets, tomes and savage. Just remove the dps stats off our gear and force tenacity on us. Just give us a higher base crit/dh rate. Its not like some jobs dont have auto C/DH cooldowns as it is. Real problem though lands on encounter design. By forcing the tank and healer to do "competitive" damage while doing our role we have lost our identity. Generally I believe they should lower base enmity, and make tenacity increase the multiplier on enmity. Bring us back to having to actually try and keep threat and not be face roll, just because dungeon only people complain. The paradigm needs a shift away from "do the most damage we can" back to "control the fight and keep our friends from dying.

    As for your comment about skill/spell speed, I also agree that it should be a combined stat. I have no idea if skill speed speeds up Paladin's spell casting or not, but a general singular stat would help simplify things (if not just raise materia prices because more people want them). I will say that having speed be more important in some cases works, but i think generally it should be a playstyle choice, which is there for some jobs but not an option in others. Jobs with a lot of ogcds which are speed locked will never benefit from speed nearly as much.
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    Last edited by niwaar; 07-09-2024 at 09:28 AM.

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    Vatom Basilisk
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    Samurai Lv 100
    I hope it’s good but now it’s the question how good because pure dmg is just bringing back the balance issues ast had before but with tank stats
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    Faorin Shadowclaw
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    Balmung
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    Paladin Lv 100
    I doubt it's better than Det since Det's purpose is to be a lesser version of your mainstat. It's probably just making it closer to Det without replacing it.
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    Scarlett Dzian
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    Sargatanas
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    Bard Lv 76
    Tenacity could give you 100% defence and 100% more hp. And 0.1% damage increase

    People would still choose det if it gave 0.2% damage increase
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    Tiana Vestoria
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    Odin
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    Warrior Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Dzian View Post
    Tenacity could give you 100% defence and 100% more hp. And 0.1% damage increase

    People would still choose det if it gave 0.2% damage increase
    Pretty much this. They can buff Tenacity as much as they want, we do not need the defense, and I honestly doubt Dawntrail will change that. So as long as Direct Hit/Det/Crit provide more damage it will stay a dead substat.
    And the main problem is that the stat from it's inception was basically a jack of all trades, master of none. It does everything a little bit but exactly because of that 3-way split it is not allowed to do anything particularly well.
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    Last edited by Absurdity; 06-28-2024 at 04:15 PM.

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    Cassia Kaedhan
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    Ragnarok
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    Gunbreaker Lv 100
    Tenacity is apparently still worth 80% of DET.
    Too bad, I wish they'd get rid of direct hit for tank, we're in for another expansion of damage variance it seems.
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    Kalaam Nozalys
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    Phantom
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    Red Mage Lv 90
    I honestly wish they reworked direct hit into something other than a "mini crit that stacks with real crits". Maybe have it be the stat that increase crit damage while crit increases crit chances, or just remove it. Seeing how the difference between a DHCrit and a normal hit being above double damage on big attacks is fun but damn i can't imagine the pain it must be to balance
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