Thread: Complete 7.0 patchnotes

Originally Posted by Taranok

People don't like playing a class the way the devs intended it to be played. They're naturally mad when the devs force you to play it the way it's intended to be played. This sounds dismissive, but it's surprisingly precise since a lot of players conflated the classes identity with the ability to play the class in ways the devs didn't intend it to be played.

That said, it does add some problems. The class still has a catastrophic failure scenario because of timers, transpose-firestarter is still available to the class, umbral ice is vestigial at best, manafont despite being upgraded is actually worse now in that it only saves you exactly 3 GCDs (bliz 3, bliz 4, fire 3) without umbral soul or regen ticks, the class will suffer in dungeons below 76. Frankly I'd be surprised if the class didn't get a mid-expansion rework at this point. And oh, thunder having a DoT oddly is becoming substantially worse for the class due to timers and the high cost of failure. Would surprisingly make more sense to simply not be a DoT, but then the rotation would get incredibly long so it's not all good.

The devs are quoted as saying they wanted to make the class easier to understand and play (baseline level,) and didn't even bother touching the very thing that makes the class difficult to play, the timers.



Also, we now have proof the devs acknowledge scathe exists. WHY THE HECK IS IT STILL IN ITS GARBAGE ARR STATE?!

A number of changes to remedy an issue that didn't exist while exacerbating the issue that did exist, truly geniuses at work :>

Originally Posted by Galvuu

A number of changes to remedy an issue that didn't exist while exacerbating the issue that did exist, truly geniuses at work :>

Nonstandard is a serious issue of the class. Server tics is literally brought up as a problem of the class that has existed since ARR. Every single expansion, players have complained about server tics. Every. Single. One. They fixed issues, but in true SE fashion, they didn't address the root problem with a degree of understanding required to actually fix the class. For example, the reason nonstandard exists is because the umbral ice rotation does very little damage, and swapping from AF to UI and back is also a huge damage loss. The obvious solution to that while still forcing standard gameplay is to make UI have a real rotation, and make swapping do real damage. Hell, why are we using level 35 skills all the way at level 90, soon to be 100? Wouldn't we have learned how to swap with better spells?

Why is fire 1 and blizzard 1 separated from fire/blizzard 3? Would it not make sense that as we grow more skilled, one upgrades into the other? There's a reason I think this class will get a hasty rework during DT, and probably will get something akin to monk treatment between now and 8.0 to fix the actual design flaws of this class. Not just a quarter of them while the other 3/4ths are left hanging naked in the breeze for all to see.

Originally Posted by Taranok

Nonstandard is a serious issue of the class. Server tics is literally brought up as a problem of the class that has existed since ARR. Every single expansion, players have complained about server tics. Every. Single. One. They fixed issues, but in true SE fashion, they didn't address the root problem with a degree of understanding required to actually fix the class. For example, the reason nonstandard exists is because the umbral ice rotation does very little damage, and swapping from AF to UI and back is also a huge damage loss. The obvious solution to that while still forcing standard gameplay is to make UI have a real rotation, and make swapping do real damage. Hell, why are we using level 35 skills all the way at level 90, soon to be 100? Wouldn't we have learned how to swap with better spells?

Why is fire 1 and blizzard 1 separated from fire/blizzard 3? Would it not make sense that as we grow more skilled, one upgrades into the other? There's a reason I think this class will get a hasty rework during DT, and probably will get something akin to monk treatment between now and 8.0 to fix the actual design flaws of this class. Not just a quarter of them while the other 3/4ths are left hanging naked in the breeze for all to see.

The biggest problem with BLM for a beginner is how horrific the leveling experience is.
It's missing critical skills at low levels, it feels awful to play all the way to near cap and your rotation/how the job works literally change every 10 levels.
There is no point in even discussing "making BLM better for beginners" until what's, imho, the worst leveling experience in the game is changed. I'd love to see numbers on how many people start as Thaumaturge and change to another job before cap. I definitely wouldn't stick to the job if I was starting XIV tomorrow.
(Over half of non-standard lines don't even need mana ticks, so they could've gotten rid of those without even changing the core of the non-standard lines. But I was even referring to that anyway, idk why we're pretending that was a thing a beginner did when playing BLM. I don't think TOP p6 min/maxing is "beginner BLM" territory)

And, fwiw, awful leveling experience isn't a BLM-only problem. This game is abysmal before level 80. It's almost criminal they force you to slog through all the msq while deteriorating low level gameplay with literally every expac.

Anything new, other than the role quest location change?

Originally Posted by Reinha

Anything new, other than the role quest location change?

Some info on clusters and materia... and links to the job websites showing new skills for all jobs including DoH and DoL, and confirmed potencies. As well as PvP actions. (Which none have changed at this time, just have had Viper and Picto added.)
They also added a list of resolved issues, and new issues.

Disappointed in tanks

Originally Posted by Tunda

Disappointed in tanks

...Yeah, I'm not sure why PLD and DRK got the short end of the stick and only gained a single new button that's just a follow-up to another CD.

GNB and WAR got two buttons which isn't much better, but I'll take anything at this point.