Improving Dawntrail WHM

[Supersnow845]

Not at all. The blood lily is DPS neutral. It deals the damage of exactly 4 GCDs worth of Glare III - 3 healing lilies and the blood lily itself. You could disregard the entire system and not cast any lily abilities and you wouldn't lose any damage.

If the healing kit was actually tied to damage, it would require the blood lily to deal more damage than 4xGlare III. That in turn would require us to use healing lilies before they cap at 3, even if we don't need them and the target was at full health, simply so we don't lose on extra damage. The opposite scenario is also true, it would make us disregard using healing lilies for healing when we need them, so we have a blood lily ready to go for the 2 minute burst. This would be an entire can of worms that doesn't need to be opened.

Like I said, utility abilities being tied to damage is already an issue with other jobs - so much so that Square is largely decoupling them in DT. Why would you want to pick up someone else's trash?

Misery is a DPS gain because it allows you to push more glare casts into the burst window than you otherwise would be able to so it 100% is a DPS gain

Example say in the burst window you can either cast 8 glare, 1 dia and 1 misery or 9 glare and 1 dia the first option is 100% a DPS Gain because you are “moving 3 glares from outside the burst window into the burst window”

[currentlemon]

I'm pushing this thread up due to the recent news from Yoshi-P. WHM was not mentioned. Though the job has "slightly" improved in DT, it still needs some adjustments in order for it to play better.

SE, please consider the changes mentioned on this thread as well as a few extra points that I added on this post as I believe it will benefit the Job as a whole.
- Have Cure I naturally upgrade to Cure II
- Increase the Shield timer on Divine Caress. 10secs is too short
- Reduce the recast time of Presence of Mind from 120secs to 60secs.
- Have Glare IV be usable outside of Presence of Mind. You can either let it be it's own separate GCD ability with a 20sec CD, have Dia potentially proc into the ability, or have the ability be usable after using such actions like Assize and Tetragrammation.
- Reduce the duration of Aero / Dia to 15 seconds and adjust it's potency to compensate.

There are more improvements I'd like to see and are covered on the first page, but the suggestions above should be easier to implement.

[epic_name]

In what world would you hit PoM and then not immediately start casting Glare IV? Reason I ask is that - to me at least - I'd rather have Glare III be the button that changes to Glare IV, not the PoM button.

Edit: I suppose having both III and IV available gives you flexibility. IV when mobility needed, III when not.

[Mortex]

Whm needs either Pom on 60 seconds and bump the duration also up to 20 seconds. Why are all other self buffs 20 seconds now but Pom isn’t. They really didn’t cook again with healer. Maybe make glare iv a procc and not tied to pom

[miraidensetsu]

There's no world where you use PoM for healing, it's strictly a tool for DPS.

Everytime I'm forced to use PoM for healing, I know that parties like this is why healers weren't deleted. Also, that's a new post at tales of DF.

[Jidka]

Why not giving cure 1 1.5sec gcd instead of 1.5 sec cast ? That way, it will heal a little bit more than cure 2 par sec (333 power/sec for Cure 1 and 320 power/sec for Cure 2) and even cost less (267 mp/sec for cure 1 and 533 mp/sec for Cure 2).

If we increase cure 1 cost to 450mp, it will cost slighty more than benefic 2 per second. (300 mp/sec for cure 1 and 280 mp/sec for benefic 2)
At this point, let’s reduce cure 2 cost to 700mp so it’s less weaker than benefic 2. (same mp cost and power but still longer cast time)

[Sylvain]

Tbh those are rather honest addition and would indeed be welcomed.

I'm unsure about Dia being 15s unless the duration could stack back to 30s... I don't know how more interesting of a spell it'd become by having a shorter duration.
One thing for sure it'd enhance whm mobility. But I suppose it can't be worse than 30s DoT which I forget to refresh half the time because i'm spamming the same button.

I feel like a bit more would be nice. Even holy part of the regular rotation would be nice as a bigger spell like 2.5-3s cast/recast and not just a finisher. Altough a finisher would definitely be nice.

[AnotherPerson]

Why not giving cure 1 1.5sec gcd instead of 1.5 sec cast ? That way, it will heal a little bit more than cure 2 par sec (333 power/sec for Cure 1 and 320 power/sec for Cure 2) and even cost less (267 mp/sec for cure 1 and 533 mp/sec for Cure 2).

If we increase cure 1 cost to 450mp, it will cost slighty more than benefic 2 per second. (300 mp/sec for cure 1 and 280 mp/sec for benefic 2)
At this point, let’s reduce cure 2 cost to 700mp so it’s less weaker than benefic 2. (same mp cost and power but still longer cast time)

Probably because it's GCD inefficient still, which just takes up hotbar space. For the amount of time you're spending to heal with cure 1, you have far more skills that can be used for healing (Regen, Medica II, Afflatus Solace, Tetragrammaton, Asylum, Benediction, etc.) so the skill just becomes far more weaker due to the vast spread of options available as you go higher in level. It doesn't lend itself to becoming stronger in the toolkit because we just have too many that can replace the need for Cure 1. Those other skills can cost far less MP as well (costing 0 MP with lilies or 0 MP + unaffected by GCD with oGCD healing). There's just not enough benefit to Cure 1's adjustment unless you just remove all the future oGCD skills on WHM.

[Jidka]

I agree that in current fights, there are many better options than cure 1 or cure 2.

I was just thinking of a way to make cure 1 as GCD efficient than cure 2.

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

I agree that in current fights, there are many better options than cure 1 or cure 2.

I was just thinking of a way to make cure 1 as GCD efficient than cure 2.

Frankly it's hard to find the middleground that is "better than today's Cure I" AND "worse than today's Cure II" for the button.

For once I entertained the idea of having Cure I from lv82 and beyond getting a trait that turns the button into an instant cast, MP free, and cuts lily timer by 3s per cast. But even that is going to be ignored entirely during uptimes.