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    Quote Originally Posted by Turtledeluxe View Post
    MrHappy directly attacked the thread creator as I described. He implied that she can't understand what she is even talking about based on his assumptions about her experience. That's ridiculous. Someone doesn't have play high end content to make a thread compiling healer concerns in the first place. But also, the thread maker doesn't need to play Extreme to understand her job is boring in whatever content they do play. It's ignorance on multiple levels.

    Aside from that, humans have a thing called tone and body language. The other streamers weren't quite as rude as such, but there is a general dismissiveness present across the board. Eye rolling, sighs, explaining issues in the strike to the strikers as though it's new information ("the game has been this way") etc. You can say they're "just giving an opinion" but players know when they're being spoken down to when it occurs.
    They dont, truth hurts
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kailea_Nagisa View Post
    They dont, truth hurts

    The thread creator is irrelevant. It's a compilation of information from sources who do play hardcore content.

    I see you're a MrHappy viewer. My apologies
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  3. #63
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reinha View Post
    The cool thing about the forums is that these kinds of statements are easily disproven. When you go to "General Discussion" and look at the number of replies to a thread, you can actually click the number and it opens a new window with all the participants and their post count in the thread. With a quick copy paste to notepad I can see there are 588 unique participants in the healer strike thread. In the "EW story sux" thread, as you call it, the 4 most active posters managed 2000+ posts (>20% of posts) by themselves, which is not the case here. The "Character graphical changes are NOT in an acceptable state, please make it optional" thread has 269 unique participants, and the devs thought that was a big enough issue to warrant a response.

    Edit: 605 participants now.
    605 out of how many players?
    that is a VERY small amount, even if you multiplied it by 100 or even 1000, it would be a small % of the over all player base.
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  4. #64
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    Quote Originally Posted by Turtledeluxe View Post
    The thread creator is irrelevant. It's a compilation of information from sources who do play hardcore content.

    I see you're a MrHappy viewer. My apologies
    oh no, I dont agree with you so I must be a Mr. Happy fan, grow up
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kailea_Nagisa View Post
    oh no, I dont agree with you so I must be a Mr. Happy fan, grow up
    Your agreement isn't required and neither is his. It's just a fact.

    Maybe you're not a viewer (didn't say fan) but you share the same fundamental misunderstanding. Enjoy that
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    They're not wrong though, it's all a farce anyway.

    Welcome to people seeing things differently than you, if you have trouble with that oh boy you're in for a rough time.
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    The main people that everyone follows in terms of XIV ""content creators"" are frankly, lazy uninspired individuals who basically scrape the bottom of the barrel on a regular basis for lowly drama views like the makeup community adjacent tea channels that they actually are. They've never had anything of any true substance to say, and they never will. They'll just pick a (typically irrelevant to the actual point) comment or two to read to their chat, make some completely random totally misinformed comments about them filled with as many um's and ah's as possible, and then close out the topic with some nonsensical fence sitting statement that allows them enough leeway to worm their way out of any controversy should one side emerge as the chosen wrong side and the other new aligned safe zone.

    Expecting any of them to take the time to actually read even 10 posts out of that 450 page 1 week made monster makes about as much sense as scooping a fish up out of the ocean and putting it down on the middle of the freshly pavemented ground expecting it to sprout feet and start walking. It's never going to happen. The average well known xiv content streamer will open a thread, slack their jaws immediately, and start drooling while their eyes glaze over in dissociation for about 45 minutes to an hour, until they come to and remember that their rent is due and they gotta put something out by the end of the week so their analytics don't start reporting a sharp dip.

    Think the only way out of it is if someone with a great understanding on the topic at hand picked out the best most strongly worded and well explained posts out of all of these threads, and compiled them in a way that even a thrice time dropped from a tree panda could understand it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kailea_Nagisa View Post
    605 out of how many players?
    that is a VERY small amount, even if you multiplied it by 100 or even 1000, it would be a small % of the over all player base.
    This is you not understanding statistics
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    Last edited by Rekh; 06-21-2024 at 03:39 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kailea_Nagisa View Post
    605 out of how many players?
    that is a VERY small amount, even if you multiplied it by 100 or even 1000, it would be a small % of the over all player base.
    I wont interpret any numbers here because you are probably right that the majority just doesn't care for healer design but thats not how it works.
    You cant take those 605 in relation to the player numbers but to the people on the forum. Only those can comment and like comments. There are examples of players who have only recently commented with approval (healer and blm), myself included and there are propably more who are dissatisfied but don't comment.

    Like someone else said. The best telling is probably the likes on the initial comment compared to other threads. (how alts are affecting that I don't know though)

    Quote Originally Posted by Jojoya View Post
    What did they say that makes you think they feel superior?

    I saw them expressing their personal opinions. That's all. If they're focusing on healing in high end content, it's because that's what they do and it's where healing should get more difficult.

    Instead of focusing on content creators that don't represent the striker point of view and basically saying "you're wrong because you don't agree with us", find the ones that do and focus on promoting them.
    I agree with your last point here, that would be the best way.
    The first point though I disaggree.
    Its all a matter of tone especially if you are a bigger content creator because you are public figure. They are not live with those videos and have time, some tact should be expected no matter the topic but maybe thats just my old worldview.
    This thread wouldn't exist if they formed those opinions in a normal way (and some of them did more then just read the hashtag.
    It's fine to disaggree with the topic but someone should at least do the research on the background before commenting.
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    Last edited by Voidmage; 06-21-2024 at 03:18 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pavise View Post
    Welcome to people seeing things differently than you, if you have trouble with that oh boy you're in for a rough time.


    Looks like people seeing things differently than you is definitely something that you seem to have trouble with, considering your abuse of the Tag system for the purpose of puerile mockery.
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