DPS Simplification - Just do Ultimates!

[Ramiee]

Did I ever say that EVERYONE hates dots? I said the vast majority doesn't enjoy dots, which is true. You act like everyone loves dots just because a few people complained about their removal. Most people do not enjoy dots. Affliction warlock in WoW pvp is popular because dots are all instant cast and prevent stealth from going off, forcing rogue cooldowns or mage cooldowns and they get around line of sight. It's not because people like dots, it's because dots are really strong in a pvp environment.

The BLM thunder change is unpopular with a few people, but really popular with another demographic that likely dwarfs those who complain.

I understand your perspective but you have to realize that life is not all or nothing. You have to see nuance.

"Dots have always been the most unpopular thing in mmos and the majority dislike them"
You're wrong, Pure Healers classes, Auto-attack focused classes, channel based classes are all way more unpopular to the extent they don't even exist anymore. DoT classes are just as popular as Pet classes and even long cast classes. I don't like damage healers but I would NEVER claim they aren't popular because they are, saying that we lack nuance is so funny when you speak in absolutes lmao. You either are being honest and clearly have only ever play XIV so know absoloute nothing about MMO culture or trolling.

I played WoW since it came out. I never enjoyed dots. It is a tiny number that ticks away without you doing anything.

Did I say that EVERYONE hates dots? No. Do the majority dislike them? Yes. You are the one making an absolute statement, not me. I get that there are people who like dots and timers, but just play bard? Why would summoner be the dot job ever? It's a summoner not a warlock.

Then you would know Affiliction warlock was the most popular spec for Warlock for 10 years before becoming equally as popular as destru in WoD to today. GW2 has mutiple dot classes and talent trees that turns pretty much all classes into a dot focused spec which is extremely popular for most classes. Assisination Rogue is still the most popular WoW rogue spec which is dot focused and even ARPG mmos like Lost Ark and PoE have dot focused class specs which are commonly the most played. You're just wrong lmao, I don't claim DoT classes as being the most popular MMO class archetype but is far from unpopular.
Bard isn't a dot job theres no interplay between the dots and the dps toolkit, if they added that into bard then yeah people should just play that. People want summoner as a DoT class because current summoner is the worst DPS job in the game, if it was actually a good Job people wouldn't want the old version back.

Destruction was always the most popular though so it's fine to make things up but it is what it is. People loved shadowbolt. GW2 is a meme game I'll never know anything about it or care. It is irrelevant.

Assassination rogue, you mean the one that passively applies dots aside from bleeds? It's popular because mutilate and envenom are insanely strong. Dagger rogue has nukes and feels amazing. You're the one who is wrong and I'm sorry but it is what it is. Dots will always be the low point of mmo for the majority.

Wrong destruction wasn't the most popular it was only for a short period of time during WOD, now its on the same level as Affiliction. Youll run into both as much in content. Maybe actually pay attention to the warlocks you've played with, lmao.
GW2 was more popular than XIV for years with twitch streamers reviving XIV but besides WoW is more popular than both of us combined so both games are irrelevant meme games.
Assissnation DoTs and stuns is what made it popular building up the dot into a stun combo then having the dots come together to burst your enemy, you mentioned Envenom adds DoTs lmao you just proved my point. "Dots are the low point for the majority" you are a liar and its so obvious lmao, just say you prefer burst spender classes instead of making up bull like dot classes are unpopular.
Honestly keep doing what you're doing you are a joy to laugh at.

[HikariKurosawa]

"Dots have always been the most unpopular thing in mmos and the majority dislike them"
You're wrong, Pure Healers classes, Auto-attack focused classes, channel based classes are all way more unpopular to the extent they don't even exist anymore. DoT classes are just as popular as Pet classes and even long cast classes. I don't like damage healers but I would NEVER claim they aren't popular because they are, saying that we lack nuance is so funny when you speak in absolutes lmao. You either are being honest and clearly have only ever play XIV so know absoloute nothing about MMO culture or trolling.

I played WoW since it came out. I never enjoyed dots. It is a tiny number that ticks away without you doing anything.

Did I say that EVERYONE hates dots? No. Do the majority dislike them? Yes. You are the one making an absolute statement, not me. I get that there are people who like dots and timers, but just play bard? Why would summoner be the dot job ever? It's a summoner not a warlock.

Then you would know Affiliction warlock was the most popular spec for Warlock for 10 years before becoming equally as popular as destru in WoD to today. GW2 has mutiple dot classes and talent trees that turns pretty much all classes into a dot focused spec which is extremely popular for most classes. Assisination Rogue is still the most popular WoW rogue spec which is dot focused and even ARPG mmos like Lost Ark and PoE have dot focused class specs which are commonly the most played. You're just wrong lmao, I don't claim DoT classes as being the most popular MMO class archetype but is far from unpopular.
Bard isn't a dot job theres no interplay between the dots and the dps toolkit, if they added that into bard then yeah people should just play that. People want summoner as a DoT class because current summoner is the worst DPS job in the game, if it was actually a good Job people wouldn't want the old version back.

Destruction was always the most popular though so it's fine to make things up but it is what it is. People loved shadowbolt. GW2 is a meme game I'll never know anything about it or care. It is irrelevant.

Assassination rogue, you mean the one that passively applies dots aside from bleeds? It's popular because mutilate and envenom are insanely strong. Dagger rogue has nukes and feels amazing. You're the one who is wrong and I'm sorry but it is what it is. Dots will always be the low point of mmo for the majority.

[KageTokage]

You should probably bring out hard evidence of the "vast majority" hating DoT-focused playstyles because XIV's aversion to such has always felt more like the devs just not wanting to have to balance around something with significantly different mechanics.

[HikariKurosawa]

You should probably bring out hard evidence of the "vast majority" hating DoT-focused playstyles because XIV's aversion to such has always felt more like the devs just not wanting to have to balance around something with significantly different mechanics.

It's right in front of you. The game is a business, decisions are made based on what is profitable. Dots are basically at the bare minimum of implementation. They still exist, but they barely exist. If dots were actually as popular as you imply they would be extremely prolific because it would increase player engagement and therefore increase the profit of the game. Capitalism is pretty convenient you know? You can assess what is popular really easily because the Devs will structure the game around what people like the most. They have to.

Now, would I object to them adding a dot job that actually makes sense? No. It would be cool if they added a bio mage or something along those lines. I wouldn't play it, but there is a demographic that isn't really being pandered to and I think it could be cool. It's likely to be added later rather than sooner, but they're running out of other jobs to implement so maybe next expansion it is a possibility. SMN should never have been the dot mage, it made zero sense thematically.

[Ramiee]

It's right in front of you. The game is a business, decisions are made based on what is profitable. Dots are basically at the bare minimum of implementation. They still exist, but they barely exist. If dots were actually as popular as you imply they would be extremely prolific because it would increase player engagement and therefore increase the profit of the game. Capitalism is pretty convenient you know? You can assess what is popular really easily because the Devs will structure the game around what people like the most. They have to.

Now, would I object to them adding a dot job that actually makes sense? No. It would be cool if they added a bio mage or something along those lines. I wouldn't play it, but there is a demographic that isn't really being pandered to and I think it could be cool. It's likely to be added later rather than sooner, but they're running out of other jobs to implement so maybe next expansion it is a possibility. SMN should never have been the dot mage, it made zero sense thematically.

DPS Pet jobs are also extremely popular look at hunter in wow yet there's zero DPS pet jobs in the game. If you say they aren't popular you're a liar. The whole it's a good business decision argument is bull, because dark knight would be a DPS then.

[HikariKurosawa]

DPS Pet jobs are also extremely popular look at hunter in wow yet there's zero DPS pet jobs in the game. If you say they aren't popular you're a liar. The whole it's a good business decision argument is bull, because dark knight would be a DPS then.

Pets are not why hunter is popular lol. Hunter is popular because it is a ranged class based on instant cast abilities. physical ranged playstyle is the reason why hunter is so popular. Look at how many hunters in WoW don't use a pet.

It's the same with warlock, most prefer to just keep imp out and let it throw fireballs while they throw shadowbolts out. Pet jobs are pretty niche, but you're free to pull statements out of god knows where.

[Ramiee]

Pets are not why hunter is popular lol. Hunter is popular because it is a ranged class based on instant cast abilities. physical ranged playstyle is the reason why hunter is so popular. Look at how many hunters in WoW don't use a pet.

It's the same with warlock, most prefer to just keep imp out and let it throw fireballs while they throw shadowbolts out. Pet jobs are pretty niche, but you're free to pull statements out of god knows where.

This is why people call you a troll because you straight up lie. Beastmaster is by far the most popular hunter spec, people farm cooler looking pets and even in survivalist the current remix meta has the pet as important. Look at WoWlogs and see how often hunter beastmaster is chosen over marksman lmao.

[HikariKurosawa]

This is why people call you a troll because you straight up lie. Beastmaster is by far the most popular hunter spec, people farm cooler looking pets and even in survivalist the current remix meta has the pet as important. Look at WoWlogs and see how often hunter beastmaster is chosen over marksman lmao.

Couldn't be because it's the easiest dps spec on the class could it? No that's farfetched.

[Arkdra]

Couldn't be because it's the easiest dps spec on the class could it? No that's farfetched.

People love their hunter pets. To use your usual methodology, they sure have sunk tons and tons of resources into the hunter pet system that they probably wouldn't have bothered with if they weren't seeing a good ROI on.

[Absurdity]

People love their hunter pets. To use your usual methodology, they sure have sunk tons and tons of resources into the hunter pet system that they probably wouldn't have bothered with if they weren't seeing a good ROI on.

Another easy example, the talent trees. If hunter pets weren't popular they wouldn't have added talents to give you a permanent 2nd pet or summon all your pets every 2 minutes.