DPS Simplification - Just do Ultimates!

[HikariKurosawa]

"Just do harder content" will never be a good defense/argument as long as we're forced to do the easier content to grind tomestones and what not.

Why should all content be hard? I like easier content being easier because I can relax and focus entirely on learning my job's abilities and how they work together. It should be easier for people who don't play games to be challenged. You know what is for people who want a challenge in their gaming experience? extremes, criterion, savages, and ultimates. The higher you go up, the harder the challenge becomes.

[Reinha]

Why should all content be hard? I like easier content being easier because I can relax and focus entirely on learning my job's abilities and how they work together. It should be easier for people who don't play games to be challenged. You know what is for people who want a challenge in their gaming experience? extremes, criterion, savages, and ultimates. The higher you go up, the harder the challenge becomes.

I think the point was not that easy content shouldn't exist, but that interesting job abilities that work together should exist on all jobs so you would still have something to learn in easy content no matter the job you play.

[HikariKurosawa]

I think the point was not that easy content shouldn't exist, but that interesting job abilities that work together should exist on all jobs so you would still have something to learn in easy content no matter the job you play.

You do, jobs are interesting as is. If they make them harder then hard content either has to be made easier, or it becomes way too hard and player engagement goes down even further than it already is. Most of these threads are made by people who don't do ultimates as is. If they make jobs harder, these players will actually never do ultimates.

The game is more or less fine as is. There are hard jobs and easy jobs in every role.

[Ayalu]

I read through a lot of threads before I chose to join the forum.
It seems that Hikari is always against whatever the thread is about.

No, the class design as it is isn’t fine. Even Yoshi-P acknowledged that it went overboard.
The Western and Japanese sides are united in that, not necessarily on how to change things,
but on the fact that the current state isn’t right. On that, we agree

[StarlessSky]

I read trough a lot of threads before i choose to join the Forum.
And it seems Hikari here is always against what ever the thread is.

No the class design as is, isnt fine even Yoshi aknowledged it that went overboard.
The Western and Japanese side are even united in that, not neccesary how to change things but that the current state isnt right there we agree.

Making my first post just to agree because I'm so glad someone else has made this observation. While I obviously don't comment much, I lurk this forum a lot and without fail they show up in all kinds of threads only to make the most dismissive and inflammatory statements possible while derailing candid discussion. It's hard for me to think their MO is anything but trolling.

[Connor]

Making my first post just to agree because I'm so glad someone else has made this observation. While I obviously don't comment much, I lurk this forum a lot and without fail they show up in all kinds of threads only to make the most dismissive and inflammatory statements possible while derailing candid discussion. It's hard for me to think their MO is anything but trolling.

I’d like to think the fact we have such trolls in my dumpster fire of a thread just means we’ve actually highlighted a real issue. My point was poorly made but I still think that’s a win. Class design as a whole has issues, and even though there’s many different interpretations of how to fix that, it’s certainly present in all aspects of the game (to different extents of course)

[HikariKurosawa]

I read trough a lot of threads before i choose to join the Forum.
And it seems Hikari here is always against what ever the thread is.

No the class design as is, isnt fine even Yoshi aknowledged it that went overboard.
The Western and Japanese side are even united in that, not neccesary how to change things but that the current state isnt right there we agree.

Sorry but where did yoship say that? The japanese community likes job design, dawntrail is streamlining it and making things less contrived like new life of the dragon and removal of non-standard blm. You can pretend I am trolling if it helps you to believe things are going to go the way you want them to, or you can engage in hard content and see what the game is really like.

[Ayalu]

I dont even do hard content i just like a proper class design which even a "Casual" like myself notice is lacking. I also liked Gulg and other harder Dungeons.
Second as someone who did went into the japanese forums, no they certainly are not statisfied Hikari.
You have Large Threads about there distastifaction over design elements in the and over there and they ask themself if the westerners want all that.
They are way more polite and the detail may be different but they also want change.

Where yoshi said it?
In a interview a few months ago if my memory isnt wrong.

Also Hikari you hear complains about designs from Casuals and Hardcore players alike.
Actualy i was surprised by that because before i looked into the Forums i assumed the Hardcore players want everything boring and simplified so its easier to do content.
Then i read here and new player and Casuals get blaimed at times.

But if the casuals i spoke to dont want it and the hard core crowd doesnt want.
The western side doesnt want that and the eastern side doesnt. Who the heck is the current design for?

[HikariKurosawa]

But if the casuals i spoke to dont want it and the hard core crowd doesnt want.
The western side doesnt want that and the eastern side doesnt. Who the heck is the current design for?

The people you label as trolls because they like what you don't like.

People will complain no matter what. That's life. There will always be voices of discontent. Are they worthy of consideration in this case? Not in my opinion. Job design isn't even boring or simple. If you look at your execution I almost guarantee you can be playing far more optimally. None of the people making these threads are playing at the job's potential regardless of the level of content they are approaching.

[Flana]

You’re a Summoner and want your repetitive rotation to be fun? Ultimates .

This is the hardest cope of all time.