Quote Originally Posted by Ilyn View Post
I guess this is the exact point I'm trying to make , when yall say is it's a 140 difference to use Katon but not considering the loss in other ways in the overall rotation which is a bigger difference then you realize . -50 from no HN bonus , -160 from your first weapon skill combo by not having bunshin active , 2-3 ticks of Doton -(160/240p) and not using a 2nd hfm . Just throwing doton alone at the beginning makes up for what you think you're getting with Katon w/o the other factors a mentioned above


Gonna be even more in DT if you can't compress it in a 15 sec window . Hell Katon won't even be used for first pulls ouside of TCJ now in DT . ..... I'm just saying
I think you might be overestimating how much you lose in the setup tbh. You can't Doton til everything stops, right? So if you are using Katon on the approach then immediately stop to TCJ then you are only stalling Doton for like half a GCD at most while losing on 350 potency.

But again, it's such a small difference that it really doesn't matter. Any potency gain/loss will immediately get made irrelevant in like 2 or 3 GCDs of your crit/DH fluctuation.