No class identity and completely over simplified

[Enjuden]

Did you ever watch what Yoshi said about Dawntrail ? They made preview alpha version of some dungeon with statistics of warrior solo tanking dungeon without healer meanwhile Yoshi said whole developer team try to inspire with Elden Ring and how hard is to play it. Also he said few times Dawntrail will be more hard than any expansion before....maybe they dont want to scare people before release and players true experience. Maybe it will be really important to be a healer if Yoshi really said it will be hard....and honestly....i think it will be.

Yoshida says a lot of things, that doesn't mean what he says is the reality. Their balance team literally kicks people for being too good at the game when it comes to non-ultimate content, what makes you think it is remotely believable that it's going to be 'harder than any other expansion before?' To who's standard? To people who would regularly clear savage on patch, or to people who can barely handle pressing a single button that would help the party?

Especially when he already said that there will never be another Thordan EX, that TG Cid was nerfed into the ground, and other, countless examples in casual content (some are good, like being able to revive on Titan) on why what he said is more than likely a statement to appease people who don't know better? People have been here for ten years, or even longer in my case, and while a lot of what he said is good thought and has been followed through, he is not reliable when it comes to how hard content will be since he honestly doesn't know as far as anyone is aware.

Don't believe what people say immediately when the proof is searched easily through youtube that it is not the case. It isn't even close.

[Odstarva]

Because healers complained since ARR -> Shb about :

—I'm a healer stop asking me for DPS.
—Remove cleric stance its giving me anxiety and then again I'm not a dps.
—This role is too hard and everyone is pointing at me , please make it easy.
—Please remove the dots what the hell man I refuse to do anything else besides healing.
—Stop telling me how to play my role and for the last time I'm not feeling good doing pulls to wall.

Now that SE fixed the issue people complains lol.

This.

I've been playing this game for over a decade now, and the vast majority of healers you'd see on the forums and on casual content belonged to the camp of "I'm a healer, I didn't sign up to DPS".

Healers need to get together and figure out what they actually want:
- Fights that drain a lot of HP, apply debuffs, bleeds, so your gameplay focus is on healing and managing health-bars?
- Encounters that demand nothing of your healing, to the point the tank can sustain and you just dps with the occasional esuna?


Honestly, I don't blame healer mains. The devs should decide what they want their healers to do and stick to it already - it'd make it a lot easier for people to decide if it's the job for them or not.
I'm on the camp of enjoying dps, so I'd only play a healer with a more complex dps rotation, but as the poster above me said... For years, healers have been demanding DPS be optional, or non existent for them at all.

You reap what you sow, really.

[Laerune]

Is the current healer role a bit boring, yes. Still using Xenos and his friends is a bad example, they are experienced raiders who have completed all the content. 95% of this playerbase wont be able to do this.

[fulminating]

I bet you a warrior or even Paladin can wall to wall in the current experts with min item level enabled.

Having run it subsequently and been astounded at how much faster it went, I am reasonably confident that I did 90% of that in my first run of lapis manalis. It wasn’t particularly stressful.

[Edmund_Blackadder]

Xenos and his friends is a bad example, they are experienced raiders who have completed all the content. 95% of this playerbase wont be able to do this.

https://youtu.be/2kII_JK9lgw?si=w9sZ9Luh5qRUjCb3&t=1119

[Mostly_Raxus]

if the outcry of helers say they want to heal and not dps im ok with that if square wants that to be the meta, but if thats the case can they stop balancing fights around healer dps and instead make it a tricky heal rotations where you dont want to waste certain CD in fear of needing them for upcoming tank-buster or raid wide?

honnestly its like square tried to listen to both sides and make them both happy, no more complicated dps rotations for healers, but mandatory dps windows for them... i would prefer the opposite personally, no requirement oh heals to dps for enrage, but heals get more dps buttons that they can engage with if they want too. then both sides can play how they see fit.

[Valence]

Is the current healer role a bit boring, yes. Still using Xenos and his friends is a bad example, they are experienced raiders who have completed all the content. 95% of this playerbase wont be able to do this.

One doesn't need to be an experienced raider to press bloodwhetting on cooldown and AoE the whole mob pack to replenish 500% of one's HP.

[Jeeqbit]

Is the current healer role a bit boring, yes. Still using Xenos and his friends is a bad example, they are experienced raiders who have completed all the content. 95% of this playerbase wont be able to do this.

Ok, so, maybe many players won't be able to do this because of being new/casual players that can't press buttons. But saying 95% of players can't do this has got to be exaggerating. I could EASILY form a PF and find 3 other players that can do this, and they wouldn't need to be raiders. Just people that can press their buttons.

I've even seen this meme'd about in novice networks, linkshells, CWLS, and FCs over the last several years. About just taking a Warrior in with 3 DPS as if it's the norm to them. And seen PFs for it occasionally. Xeno does it because it's the ongoing meme to do it and participating in meme culture is what streamers do.

[Mrjokerswild]

Everyone has said tanks are the issue and while agree with warriors are waaaaaay over tuned healing wise. Dark knights have had no changes to there sustain. The healing you receive from tanking should be I'd around 85% healed 15% sustain. Not the other way around. And since dark knight has no real sustain, we'll if there are no healers playing then there's no reason to play dark knight. Just my opinion.

[Connor]

What frustrates me most is that ‘strong class identity’ and ‘simplicity in execution’ are not mutually exclusive.

We can have classes/jobs that are easy to pick up and understand but still have unique skill sets that contribute to a class identity.

There’s no reason why we have to have classes that are both extremely simplified and so heavily homogenised