No class identity and completely over simplified

[ThomasOfEger]

Did you ever watch what Yoshi said about Dawntrail ? They made preview alpha version of some dungeon with statistics of warrior solo tanking dungeon without healer meanwhile Yoshi said whole developer team try to inspire with Elden Ring and how hard is to play it. Also he said few times Dawntrail will be more hard than any expansion before....maybe they dont want to scare people before release and players true experience. Maybe it will be really important to be a healer if Yoshi really said it will be hard....and honestly....i think it will be.

[Kes13a]

Did you ever watch what Yoshi said about Dawntrail ? They made preview alpha version of some dungeon with statistics of warrior solo tanking dungeon without healer meanwhile Yoshi said whole developer team try to inspire with Elden Ring and how hard is to play it. Also he said few times Dawntrail will be more hard than any expansion before....maybe they dont want to scare people before release and players true experience. Maybe it will be really important to be a healer if Yoshi really said it will be hard....and honestly....i think it will be.

hard to say, I have been to that dance before. "more hard" is relative. more hard does not make for an engaging play style.. just more frustrating. and will be the same dance with the same music.... likely for 2 years. I would happily be wrong, but I am not going to base my hopes on it.

[KisaiTenshi]

hard to say, I have been to that dance before. "more hard" is relative. more hard does not make for an engaging play style.. just more frustrating. and will be the same dance with the same music.... likely for 2 years. I would happily be wrong, but I am not going to base my hopes on it.

If we wanted "MOAR HARD" they'd just make the game have open PvPvE and no gear binds. Which everyone in every MMO actually hates, but always ask why it's not a thing (simple, there's no antagonistic race/faction in the game that players can play.) In PvP healers are useless because they just get targeted first. Games that do PvPvE aren't successful unless they are sub-only+no-cash-shop, because you can't have people having their cash shop items looted, or it becomes a cash shop feature to bind items. The games just don't live very long once the bots overwhelm no-PVP part of the server.

What this game needs is to just simply level and ilevel sync all content past it's MSQ insertion point. ARR content is level synced to 50/ilevel 130 if any player in the party has not cleared it. That would keep "healing" and "tanking" at least on the level of where it's still necessary in roulettes.

That said, the most direct solution is to just strip tanks and DPS of any self-healing. Adjust all the MSQ solo content to have a healer NPC that activates only at 10% HP (tanks) or 40% HP (DPS.) Otherwise split the party mitigation between the tank and the healer so that the tank can only block physical damage and the healer can only block magical damage. Tank's primary job is holding enmity, Healer's primary job is healing. When encountering voidsent and undead you need the healer to do the mitigation. When encountering people with pointy sticks, the tank does the mitigation.

[justausername]

Did you ever watch what Yoshi said about Dawntrail ? They made preview alpha version of some dungeon with statistics of warrior solo tanking dungeon without healer meanwhile Yoshi said whole developer team try to inspire with Elden Ring and how hard is to play it. Also he said few times Dawntrail will be more hard than any expansion before....maybe they dont want to scare people before release and players true experience. Maybe it will be really important to be a healer if Yoshi really said it will be hard....and honestly....i think it will be.

he confirmed in the LL on Friday that the MSQ dungeons would be par for the course, as expected (so not much harder), however once you reach lvl 100 dungeons, things would start to get spicier. As I explained before, is how it is. They wont do a sharp increase, it would be too shocking, especially in the future for those who know nothing of this discourse. It will increase gradually, and the 'harder' dungeons might be the ones that are optional and not part of the MSQ (like Smileton was not REQUIRED for MSQ in EW).

[dtv20]

It's honestly an easy fix and it can be tackled from many different ways.


1. Increase dungeon/AR, Damage and enemy health. Enemies would hitting harder would require more healing. This would cause healers to focus more on healing than spamming art of war.
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2. Give healers more things to do. Give Scholar its dots back. Reduce amount of ogc for whm (this would make it have to hard cast more). Astro (idk yet). Give Sage an actual single target and aoe rotation. Absolutely zero reason why it doesn't have one. Even if it's a simple one.
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3. Buff tank damage and reduce/remove (self sustain is fine but WAR is OP in this regard), their self sustain.


People play healer because they want to heal. Not because they want to do less damage than everyone else. So making healers have to focus more on healing than dps is the perfect fix for everything. People wouldn't mind a 1 button rotation if they didn't have to spend the majority of their time doing it.

I'm a healer main in everything. I've been a healer main in FF14 since it launched on PS4. Since Shadowbringners launched I don't touch healer unless I'm doing Savage or an Ultimate.
Scholar was my favourite class and it just doesn't feel fun to play anymore. Sure, in regards to healing, i's never been stronger. It is also a completely different class than ARR, and it's been dumbed down so much. Give me back my dots. The Dots and pet control added a uniqueness to Scholar that no other job had. It was a job built around micromanagement. Now, it's just WHM with extra steps.
I don't expect the pet control to comeback but you can give Scholar their dots.

[Enjuden]

Did you ever watch what Yoshi said about Dawntrail ? They made preview alpha version of some dungeon with statistics of warrior solo tanking dungeon without healer meanwhile Yoshi said whole developer team try to inspire with Elden Ring and how hard is to play it. Also he said few times Dawntrail will be more hard than any expansion before....maybe they dont want to scare people before release and players true experience. Maybe it will be really important to be a healer if Yoshi really said it will be hard....and honestly....i think it will be.

Yoshida says a lot of things, that doesn't mean what he says is the reality. Their balance team literally kicks people for being too good at the game when it comes to non-ultimate content, what makes you think it is remotely believable that it's going to be 'harder than any other expansion before?' To who's standard? To people who would regularly clear savage on patch, or to people who can barely handle pressing a single button that would help the party?

Especially when he already said that there will never be another Thordan EX, that TG Cid was nerfed into the ground, and other, countless examples in casual content (some are good, like being able to revive on Titan) on why what he said is more than likely a statement to appease people who don't know better? People have been here for ten years, or even longer in my case, and while a lot of what he said is good thought and has been followed through, he is not reliable when it comes to how hard content will be since he honestly doesn't know as far as anyone is aware.

Don't believe what people say immediately when the proof is searched easily through youtube that it is not the case. It isn't even close.