SAM casting

[ShadowyZero]

This is such a bad take I can't even put to words my disappointment in the mere suggestion of removing the cast. It's literally a part of SAM's identity.

its still not a caster or mage, don't know how many times i need to repeat that xD you can say it has magical affinity and i will accept that as fact but casting spells is never going to be a samurai thing any magic they do is all completely relegated to their weapon an they don't cast with their sword lol they swing it in multiple directions an the "magic" releases from either the edge or the tip of their blade.
honestly if you ask me since Samurai shares a gear set and dps identifier with monk that being (striking) it should have a similar mechanic to it with how they store their chakra's then release them upon executing weapon skills or job actions to me that would make much more sense to a samurai to be storing magic incantations within their blade and it immediately releases upon drawing the blade from its sheath without the need of casting just a simple and clean draw no stare-downs like some wacky wild west movie when the two gunman stare at eachother awkwardly waiting to see who draws first lmao

[Zairava]

A class doesn't need to be a caster to have cast times.

Comparing Samurai to the likes of BLM, RDM and upcoming PCT is laughable at best. You're only casting your big hit, tsubame gaeshi is even instant.

The cast times being on your Iaijutsu is a huge part of what makes Samurai gameplay feel like it has its own flavor and feel. You're charging up your one of the hardest hitting strikes in your arsenal and the wind up helps that impact land dramatically.

You *are* building up your resource to then use on weaponskills. Setsugekka, Goken, and Higanbana are all weaponskills. Where do you think they got the idea for the Nadi system on Monk?

The point was never "your casting magically powered abilities" the point is "You are focusing all of your gathered power to unleash immensely powerful attacks and it takes a small amount of time to do so"

[ShadowyZero]

You're charging up your one of the hardest hitting strikes in your arsenal and the wind up helps that impact land dramatically.

You *are* building up your resource to then use on weaponskills. Setsugekka, Goken, and Higanbana are all weaponskills. Where do you think they got the idea for the Nadi system on Monk?

why does it need a cast timer than to achieve that effect then? first i need you to answer that question if its not magical then why the need for a cast bar? they don't need us to stand still by that logic then it should be a stored action if we're winding it up to be released in one big go etc

[Zairava]

why does it need a cast timer than to achieve that effect then? first i need you to answer that question if its not magical then why the need for a cast bar? they don't need us to stand still by that logic then it should be a stored action if we're winding it up to be released in one big go etc

Flavor, style, impact.

It makes it feel better to press and unique compared to every other melee and that's why people enjoy it. It doesn't need to be magical for it to have a cast time, I find that to be incredibly restrictive.

Without the cast time it just feels like any ordinary GCD, with the cast time it feels like something unique that's a part of what makes Samurai what it is. I feel like Tsubame Gaeshi would lose its luster as well, as that is the instant cast and it feels better since the only method of doing so is casting an iaijutsu to begin with.

[ShadowyZero]

Flavor, style, impact.

It makes it feel better to press and unique compared to every other melee and that's why people enjoy it. It doesn't need to be magical for it to have a cast time, I find that to be incredibly restrictive.

Without the cast time it just feels like any ordinary GCD, with the cast time it feels like something unique that's a part of what makes Samurai what it is. I feel like Tsubame Gaeshi would lose its luster as well, as that is the instant cast and it feels better since the only method of doing so is casting an iaijutsu to begin with.

a reasonable reply ty, however i feel we will just have to agree to disagree i still feel that Samurai is better off with a different form of expressing their power without the need for still casting in one place. the still casting thing already belongs to many jobs already classified as "casting" and Magical Ranged and there is really no need to dispute them having a cast bar because thats how it has always been in works of fiction for mages,wizards, sorcerers and so on.

but to me my definition of a Samurai in specific has always been a swordsman with incredible skill and incredible efficiency with the blade thats what i've come to know and its what i grew up with. don't get me wrong there are cool character with magically imbued blades or massive amounts of stored up energy to represent their power but there are equally exciting character's who are just as cool who don't have any charge ups or massive power releases as well character's who are just extremely skilled at their craft and do not need to charge up or harness anything.

[Emitans]

When you examine something in the overworld for MSQ and it fills up a castbar are you casting a spell?

[ShadowyZero]

When you examine something in the overworld for MSQ and it fills up a castbar are you casting a spell?

??? i am very confused by your query here or insinuation we are discussing job design not quest design, what you're referring to is a progress meter when we're asked to complete such tasks the meter fills up to signify our character in a roleplay sense has finished performing a task or an action.

if you were equating that to what's on samurai then that just makes it sound even more ridiculous why its on samurai lol if you had a blade especially an extremely strong blade that can cut thru armor or wood you're not gunna just hold it in place while actively in combat that would just be nonesense XD you're gunna swing it to attack your attacker or to defend yourself from them etc

[Ramiee]

So if the cast bar was renamed a charge bar or something would that fix the problem?

[ShadowyZero]

So if the cast bar was renamed a charge bar or something would that fix the problem?

a renaming won't solve my grip with it no lol but if they make it to where the "cast" "charge" whatever you call it is insignificant to how the job plays or they make it in a way to where its no longer dependent on standing still in one location then i will compromise

even better it would be great if like reapers spell it can be casted outside combat for an instant cast which can then be saved up for when you enter combat like lets say iajutsu action can be pressed outside of combat to store up one charge of the first iajutsu to be used wether thats higanbana or tenka goken or midare setsugekka etc.

[ShadowyZero]

my samurai friends! i have tidings to share with you all! https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/jobguide/samurai/

THEY HEARD US \o/ and although it might not be everything we wanted its at least a good start.