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  1. #1
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    Supersnow845's Avatar
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    Andreas Cestelle
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    Jenova
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    Scholar Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainLagbeard View Post
    The problem with the randomness is that it bad RNG can render the Job much worse off... It's not like the difference between a crit or a normal hit... But the difference between drawing Lord of Crowns instead of Lady of Crowns, or drawing The Arrow instead of The Balance...
    That’s why you have RNG protection in the form of in game mechanics

    Take late SB AST, if you drew a bad card then you had a series of options

    If you drew balance->great
    If you drew spear->pretty good
    If you drew ewer/spire->royal road it
    If you drew ewer/spire and already have a royal road stocked->redraw it
    If you drew a bole/arrow->redraw it
    If you run out of redraws and still don’t have a good card->minor arcana it

    With the amount of inbuilt protection you had you almost never had a final bad result and self correcting bad RNG with thematic in game elements is better than the devs just shaving off the ability to get bad RNG
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    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess

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    CaptainLagbeard's Avatar
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    Rhaya Jakkya
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    Odin
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    White Mage Lv 100
    Instead of trying to do protection from bad RNG, they could always just get rid of the bad results... Like while wasn't well received when everyone of the 6 major cards was just a DPS buff, it did mean you could always use all 6 of them regardless of what you drew into.

    Now, they don't all NEED to just be "Increase damage dealt by x%", but you can have other flavors of increasing damage such as Crit, Direct Hit or Haste buffs... And Lady of Crowns being a nearly useless heal could very well replaced with just another attack like Lord of Crowns...
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    Carighan Maconar
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    Zodiark
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    Paladin Lv 100
    Please don't. We just got a system that's both fun and useful, let's enjoy it for a while before we get it ruined again!

    If anything, slightly buff the Play 3 cards, they feel less "meaty" than Play 1 and 2. And for the AoEs, make both significantly stronger but you can only play them after the other 3 cards are used up.
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    Last edited by Carighan; 08-14-2024 at 05:11 AM.

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    Zolmation Volt
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    Sargatanas
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    Blue Mage Lv 70
    Please don't. Have you guys looked at the astro numbers in savage? Astro is more popular than ever. Whm was finally dethroned as the most popular healer
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    V'els Wen
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    Brynhildr
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    Scholar Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Zolvolt View Post
    Please don't. Have you guys looked at the astro numbers in savage? Astro is more popular than ever. Whm was finally dethroned as the most popular healer
    You've failed to engage with the central point of my post which is...we already have 3 other healers that don't have RNG in them. Astro was the only one that had quick moment-to-moment decision making baked into its rotation. Players who enjoyed that in ANY of the previous 3 iterations of Astro now have nowhere to go.
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    Pathetic Loser
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    Coeurl
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    Astrologian Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Zolvolt View Post
    Please don't. Have you guys looked at the astro numbers in savage? Astro is more popular than ever. Whm was finally dethroned as the most popular healer


    Finally dethroned white mage, eh?

    AST has the highest DPS and the strongest healer kit next to SCH. And yet it's still the least popular despite being simpler and easier than ever. Maybe constantly changing the gameplay, dumbing it down, and trying to make it palatable for the kind of people who already think healer is a boring role isn't actually the play, and letting the job be unpopular but fun, challenging, and engaging instead of... still unpopular but kinda-sorta like a bootleg scholar with the worlds least interesting card effects and more generic ST tools than any single piece of content requires would provide more satisfaction to the people who actually want to play the job instead of the flavour-of-the-month meta pick? Fuck, I'd take heavensward AST over this. I'd rather be worthless but engaged than bored and meta.
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    Last edited by Kissune; 08-18-2024 at 03:48 AM.

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    Zakuyia Shizyuie
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    Zalera
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    oh boy here we go again..... the forums never satisfied always complaining. I get ya now emet selch i see why you said what you said to us....
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    You open the door theres nothing in sight. You close the door wondering whats in sight. But lets be honest its probably gonna just let you down.

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    V'els Wen
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    Brynhildr
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zakuyia View Post
    oh boy here we go again..... the forums never satisfied always complaining. I get ya now emet selch i see why you said what you said to us....
    There's really no reason to be overdramatic. People are allowed to express frustration when a job they loved is removed from the game and they want those elements back.
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    Last edited by velswen; 08-16-2024 at 02:51 AM.

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    Mira Clearweaver
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    Jenova
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    Conjurer Lv 90
    It would make sense why their numbers goes up in DT lol. They're appealing the players who wants to play WHM but stars aesthetic.
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    Olivia Lugria
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    Sargatanas
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    Black Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Carighan View Post
    Please don't. We just got a system that's both fun and useful, let's enjoy it for a while before we get it ruined again!
    I don't know what's fun or useful about these cards... already had 6 single target ogcd heals that the warrior didn't need, and now I have 4~ more. 2 dps cards that will go on the same people every time every two minutes.

    People want this over Stormblood astro? Did you even play the job?
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