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  1. #21
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    Carighan's Avatar
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    Carighan Maconar
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    Zodiark
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    Astrologian Lv 100
    Please don't. We just got a system that's both fun and useful, let's enjoy it for a while before we get it ruined again!

    If anything, slightly buff the Play 3 cards, they feel less "meaty" than Play 1 and 2. And for the AoEs, make both significantly stronger but you can only play them after the other 3 cards are used up.
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    Last edited by Carighan; 08-14-2024 at 05:11 AM.

  2. #22
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    Zolvolt's Avatar
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    Zolmation Volt
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    Sargatanas
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    Blue Mage Lv 70
    Please don't. Have you guys looked at the astro numbers in savage? Astro is more popular than ever. Whm was finally dethroned as the most popular healer
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  3. #23
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    Zakuyia Shizyuie
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    Zalera
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    Dancer Lv 100
    oh boy here we go again..... the forums never satisfied always complaining. I get ya now emet selch i see why you said what you said to us....
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    You open the door theres nothing in sight. You close the door wondering whats in sight. But lets be honest its probably gonna just let you down.

  4. #24
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    Mira Clearweaver
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    Jenova
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    Conjurer Lv 90
    It would make sense why their numbers goes up in DT lol. They're appealing the players who wants to play WHM but stars aesthetic.
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  5. #25
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    Olivia Lugria
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    Black Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Carighan View Post
    Please don't. We just got a system that's both fun and useful, let's enjoy it for a while before we get it ruined again!
    I don't know what's fun or useful about these cards... already had 6 single target ogcd heals that the warrior didn't need, and now I have 4~ more. 2 dps cards that will go on the same people every time every two minutes.

    People want this over Stormblood astro? Did you even play the job?
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  6. #26
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    Carighan Maconar
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    Zodiark
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    Quote Originally Posted by OliviaLugria View Post
    People want this over Stormblood astro? Did you even play the job?
    Interesting, however the current system didn't replace Stormblood astro so what does this add to the discussion? It frankly doesn't matter whether you want Stormblood Astro with all it's glorious raid-useless randomness or not. We had Endwalker Astro, and now got Dawntrail Astro, which is a marked improvement.
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  7. #27
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    Aki Momiji
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    Hyperion
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    Astrologian Lv 100
    I started at the tail end of SB, like a month or so prior to ShB release so I never actually got to play that rendition of AST. However I still fell in love with the ShB version of the job, and while I wasn't a huge fan of EW AST, the fast APM and adjusting who gets cards based off my RNG was fun and was the reason I stayed engaged with the job.

    Then they announced they were planning a rework for AST like, halfway through Endwalker and I was already dreading the idea, seeing as how they turned my favorite caster into current SMN.

    Getting the confirmation that cards were static disappointed me heavily, but I was willing to give it a shot. The unique cards coming back was cool after all and they could probably be really useful and fun to use. However, as the media tour happened and we got more information on the new card system, and I eventually got to play it, my actual enjoyment I got from the system just wasn't there anymore. I still really enjoy the healing kit, and it's the main reason I've taken it so far, but I can't see myself staying on the job if it gets left in this state.

    The cards feel so... underwhelming. Aside from the Arrow, they're all glorified charges of tools AST already has, just more limiting since you can only get certain ones in 60s time frames with no way to adjust the window. There's no decision making anymore.

    I can understand why people may like this version of the system, it's a lot easier to understand than SB AST and a lot easier to execute than ShB/EW AST, but currently the job gauge feels like a side attraction rather than the main ride.
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  8. #28
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    Payadopa Astraya
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    Spriggan
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zolvolt View Post

    But also, I don't really care. RNG for the sake of RNG isn't good class design


    OG AST didn't have RNG for the sake of it, though. The new card systems did. And even if people didn't like RNG, you had two different (now three) healers to choose from yet SE opted to make all 4 the same one. What even is the point of having 20 or so different jobs if none are allowed to deviate?

    We can literally swap jobs at the press of a button yet we pretend everyone only has access to one job so all must be balanced into the ground (unless you're a WAR).
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  9. #29
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    V'els Wen
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    Brynhildr
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    Scholar Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Zolvolt View Post
    Please don't. Have you guys looked at the astro numbers in savage? Astro is more popular than ever. Whm was finally dethroned as the most popular healer
    You've failed to engage with the central point of my post which is...we already have 3 other healers that don't have RNG in them. Astro was the only one that had quick moment-to-moment decision making baked into its rotation. Players who enjoyed that in ANY of the previous 3 iterations of Astro now have nowhere to go.
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  10. #30
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    V'els Wen
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    Brynhildr
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    Scholar Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Zakuyia View Post
    oh boy here we go again..... the forums never satisfied always complaining. I get ya now emet selch i see why you said what you said to us....
    There's really no reason to be overdramatic. People are allowed to express frustration when a job they loved is removed from the game and they want those elements back.
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    Last edited by velswen; 08-16-2024 at 02:51 AM.

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