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  1. #1
    Player
    Aquachi's Avatar
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    Saphira Phoenica
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    Coeurl
    Main Class
    Gunbreaker Lv 91

    Please let summoner keep raise

    In the last letter to the producer it mentioned possibly removing resurrection for summoner in 8.0. I would like to make a plea that we not remove summoner's resurrection ability. I think it makes sense from a lore standpoint. The only other dps that can raise can do so because of white magic which makes sense. I think coming from the arcanist class which can take the scholar and summoner job as well as the existence of phoenix down and phoenix summon points toward a valid reasoning for summoner to have a resurrection ability. I am aware that savage players do not like that swift cast can be used for both dps and raise in high difficulty content such as savage and ultimate. I do not think that warrants full removal of the ability for summoners though. There are so many times that I have been able to raise the healer in a dungeon or raise the healer in a trial, or raise someone in battlefield content such as eureka. It has been helpful! Just maybe not in content where people aren't expected to die like ultimate. To appease the savage raiders perhaps we should change summoners res ability to being tied to phoenix summon? Maybe each time we conjure a phoenix egi we get one free instant cast raise. That would be cool and lore relevant. Everyone is happy and the less difficult content still has that utility. Thank you for your time.
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    Poppet's Avatar
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    Character
    Kokoro Komori
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    Coeurl
    Main Class
    Warrior Lv 100
    Resurrections should be a party responsibility like in criterion. Not having a caster rez is too punishing for all forms of content. It leads to Black Mage and soon Pictomancer being blacklisted from parties. Healers having 90% of the responsibility in a MULTIPLAYER GAME.

    Caster rez is just a band aid for bad game design. It's works as it should when you have caster rez. But when you're in a dungeon and the healer dies for the 5th time and you're both melee dps standing in an aoe to restart it doesn't feel good. Tanks soloing dungeons is just another band aid for the problem.
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  3. #3
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    Ramiee's Avatar
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    Character
    Grainne Gothram
    World
    Cerberus
    Main Class
    Black Mage Lv 50
    I think it's fine to keep if it's either impossible for a caster to mass raise or if it's a huge sacrifice. Up the res cost to half the mp bar or put it on a long CD.
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    Last edited by Ramiee; 06-13-2024 at 07:13 PM.

  4. #4
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    wildvenonat's Avatar
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    Limsa
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    Character
    Pompadora Dora
    World
    Marilith
    Main Class
    Fisher Lv 100
    My ideal would be for all casters to get Angel's Whisper. It's a crappy raise that you want to save for emergencies with a long cooldown that's still sufficient to be a raise. Black Mage can use void magic to force you to get back up, it's fine.
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  5. #5
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    Valence's Avatar
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    Character
    Sunie Dakwhil
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    Twintania
    Main Class
    Machinist Lv 100
    You know what became irrelevant enough before being removed? TP

    Well, one more step making MP irrelevant too, we're getting close.
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  6. #6
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    ThorneDynasty's Avatar
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    Character
    Gisela Thorne
    World
    Zodiark
    Main Class
    Black Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Poppet View Post
    Resurrections should be a party responsibility like in criterion. Not having a caster rez is too punishing for all forms of content. It leads to Black Mage and soon Pictomancer being blacklisted from parties. Healers having 90% of the responsibility in a MULTIPLAYER GAME.

    Caster rez is just a band aid for bad game design. It's works as it should when you have caster rez. But when you're in a dungeon and the healer dies for the 5th time and you're both melee dps standing in an aoe to restart it doesn't feel good. Tanks soloing dungeons is just another band aid for the problem.
    Again, give me an actual real life example of BLM or no-caster comps being "blacklisted" anywhere except maybe world first prog.

    The caster raises really, really don't matter that much in harder content. Chances are if both healers or +3 players go down it's an immediate fail on the next body check.

    This idea that parties regularly refuse to prog without extra rezzers is a meme. Everyone always talks about it but it almost never actually happens, and when it does it's an idiot static blindly regurgitating the idea that RDM is a must for prog.
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    Last edited by ThorneDynasty; 06-13-2024 at 09:39 PM.

  7. #7
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    Keichi's Avatar
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    Maric Ward
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    Lich
    Main Class
    Black Mage Lv 100
    Agree, lets keep summoner it.
    Or maybe better:

    Make phoenix feather buyable and in fight usable. So, that that item has a use and gives everyone the ability to ress.
    Similary to the soul gems in Eso.

    Only downside would be, that healers would maybe be more annoyed, when people are able to finish stuff without them (like, with the Xeno's Story now).
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  8. #8
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    Character
    Baf O'
    World
    Golem
    Main Class
    Summoner Lv 100
    How about remove all caster raise. Red Mage shouldn't be doing no damage just because it can raise 4 people in a row.
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  9. #9
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    Keichi's Avatar
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    Character
    Maric Ward
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    Lich
    Main Class
    Black Mage Lv 100
    No raise for all would make the healer to important.
    I dislike the idea, that a whole Party is failing, because 1-2 player maked a error or had problems.
    Having some DD with ress option is nice for back up.
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  10. #10
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    Connor's Avatar
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    Character
    Connor Whelan
    World
    Odin
    Main Class
    Bard Lv 100
    Yoshi-P: ‘we might make jobs more unique/individual in 8.0’

    Community: ‘make all the casters the same by removing raise from Summoner and Red Mage!’

    Yoshi-P: ?????

    Be careful what you wish for.
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