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    Aki Melon
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    Scholar Lv 90

    As Controller Player, I'm disappointed it's so hard to learn how to play AST at 7.0

    YoshiP said they delayed trying to re-do the AST when 6.0 is released. BUT they will make a big change to AST when 7.0 is released.
    AS a CONTROLLER player, I have wanted to play AST for a long time. SO I pay attention to waiting and wish they could re-do the card system to be much more controller-friendly at 7.0.
    Again, BUT, what they did is add more card buttons?? what?
    I mean at 6.0, if I need to play a card, I must make 8 marcos.
    At 7.0, I need to make more marcos to play cards....
    Did they ever think about how would controller players feel about it?

    Not only the ast, I want to say is, my whm,sch,sage 's crosshotbar are not enough to add more skill...
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    Andreas Cestelle
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    Scholar Lv 100
    AST is unironically way easier for controller in 7.0 because now you only have 2 damage cards, you don’t need to macro the support cards because they are basically just copies of your existing healing

    Like you aren’t macro’ing essential dignity, you just soft scroll for it, do the same thing with the new support cards
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    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess

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    i tried to get used to the soft scroll, but I found that I could not. so I'm using Target Permanent to select all the target.
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    Daddy Curaga
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    Hi. I am another controller player, and I so happen to main AST. I don’t want to invalidate your feelings and experience but I most wholeheartedly disagree with them.

    Opinion: AST is already easier on controller than MKB because player cycling is more efficient on controller. Fact: AST is going to become easier on controller with the 7.0 changes because you are pressing fewer buttons by default, and even fewer if you and your party are playing efficiently.

    Currently in 6.0, you press ≈3 Draws, 1 Minor Arcana, Play all 4 cards and sometimes use Astrodyne. That is up to 9 weaves for a 1-minute cycle. In 7.0, you will press 1 Draw and are required 1 Play (damage card). That’s 2 weaves for a one-minute cycle. The other cards in your hand will never count as a definite weave every minute as they are situational—do you need this heal or shield, is this minute the Lord or the Lady? You situational so much more room for activities.

    Also, we are not getting new card buttons in AST, we are replacing some. Play, Redraw and Astrodyne are becoming Play I, II, and III. You will have the same amount of buttons in DT as you do in EW.

    I do have a few suggestions for all trying to play AST on controller.
    1. oGCDs sometimes miss their target when you soft target on controller so it may be beneficial to macro certain emergency oGCDs to target only the tank (Essential Dignity, Benediction, etc)
    2. Learning the opener and card buff priority will help as you will already be thinking of how quickly to cycle to that correct player before you need to play the card
    3. An Earthly Star (Asylum, Lilybell, Sacred Soil) macro is a must-have because placement AOEs are toxic on controller
    4. Yes, some buttons will be less efficient to macro but don’t be afraid to use macros that will improve your performance: controller has more hotbar space for it
    5. You may change the order of your party members to reduce cycling for buffs. This may be done in or outside battle in the Social>Party Members menu by clicking and dragging players in the order you want. You may also change the default order of your party members in the Character Configurations>UI Settings>Party List menu
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    I don't practice Soteria -- I ain't got no star globe ball -- If I had a million Broils -- Well, I... I'd cast them all
    If I could find that Haima -- And that Eos that she's found -- Well, I'd pop a DOT on Eos -- And I'd Combust her down
    When I really wanna play -- White Mage -- All I really wanna weave is my sublime -- cold, Blood Lily

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    While AST should be accessible for controller, (and the skill floor should be at a healthy point where most people who want to can play it fine), it doesn't mean the skill ceiling has to be dragged down, if its difficult for controller players that's unlucky, AST in EW and previous expansions is a fast-paced, complicated and hella engaging healer job to play at the higher levels. This isnt a bad thing, it's needed in mmos! it's a good thing ^^

    I've met controller/console AST's that are amazing and honestly they terrify me (I'm a PC player and would hate to play on controller) but yea i've met ASTs that while it may be harder on controller than PC, it's still doable, this is including ShB+EW AST iterations.

    Not trying to say SKILL ISSUE !!! But your post honestly depends, are you wanting to play AST (full stop). Or play AST at the high levels? because they are different things.

    DT has killed AST anyway criiii ;-;;; simplest slowest and least complex version of them all. Binding the buttons is so frustrating on PC as well as controller, FF XIV jobs have loads xD But with DT its become even more horrible for both, believe me i'm crying over how i'm going to have to bind DT AST.

    (But also, #FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE!)
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