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    Do we know if Soteria affects the ‘damage=healing’ AoE buff Sage gets? I imagine a shortened Soteria cool-down would be really strong if it could affect ‘aoe Kardia’.
    That said, from what I gathered the new ability gives a separate buff from Kardia, so I’m not sure why it would be affected by Soteria

    Also I do agree that the power difference between Soteria and Recitation is a fairly cavernous gap; ridiculously overpowered healing seems to be about all they can ever do for Scholar these days lol. I think Recitation still affects the strength of the instant Adloquium/Concitation (Succor II) we get during Seraphism, so the shield spread potential is going to be egregiously powerful lol, in my opinion
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    Quote Originally Posted by Connor View Post
    Do we know if Soteria affects the ‘damage=healing’ AoE buff Sage gets? I imagine a shortened Soteria cool-down would be really strong if it could affect ‘aoe Kardia’.
    That said, from what I gathered the new ability gives a separate buff from Kardia, so I’m not sure why it would be affected by Soteria

    Also I do agree that the power difference between Soteria and Recitation is a fairly cavernous gap; ridiculously overpowered healing seems to be about all they can ever do for Scholar these days lol. I think Recitation still affects the strength or Adloquium/Concitation (Succor II), so the shield spread potential is going to be egregiously powerful lol, in my opinion
    The three new GCD’s (the succor upgrade and the 2 seraphism upgrades) all still apply galvanise so their effect with recitation is unchanged

    Soteria also doesn’t affect philsophia
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    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess

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    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    The three new GCD’s (the succor upgrade and the 2 seraphism upgrades) all still apply galvanise so their effect with recitation is unchanged
    Recitation has no mention of the new abilities in its tooltips, which could be a small error. Or Recitation won't work with Manifestation/Accession. So while the shields (Galvanize) will still be able to be spread after casting Manifestation/Accession, I'm unsure that Recitation will work with either new ability.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pandurah View Post
    Recitation has no mention of the new abilities in its tooltips, which could be a small error. Or Recitation won't work with Manifestation/Accession. So while the shields (Galvanize) will still be able to be spread after casting Manifestation/Accession, I'm unsure that Recitation will work with either new ability.
    That’s actually a good pickup I didn’t notice that
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    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess

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    Quote Originally Posted by Connor View Post
    Do we know if Soteria affects the ‘damage=healing’ AoE buff Sage gets? I imagine a shortened Soteria cool-down would be really strong if it could affect ‘aoe Kardia’.
    That said, from what I gathered the new ability gives a separate buff from Kardia, so I’m not sure why it would be affected by Soteria
    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    Soteria also doesn’t affect philsophia
    If all the attacks said

    Additional Effect: Restores HP to targets under the effect of Kardion granted by you.
    Additional Effect: Restores HP to targets under the effect of Eudaimonia granted by you.

    and Soteria only said

    Grants 4 stacks of Soteria, each stack increasing the Cure potency of Kardion effects granted by you by 70%.

    Then it would be clear that the intent was for Soteria to buff only and specifically Kardion. However, since no attacks mention Eudaimonia at all, we cannot know if the lack of mention of Eudaimonia in Soteria is an intentional indicator that Soteria does not affect Eudaimonia without actually seeing the combination in action.

    Did any of the media tour folks demonstrate this so we could see if they interact or not?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rongway View Post
    If all the attacks said

    Additional Effect: Restores HP to targets under the effect of Kardion granted by you.
    Additional Effect: Restores HP to targets under the effect of Eudaimonia granted by you.

    and Soteria only said

    Grants 4 stacks of Soteria, each stack increasing the Cure potency of Kardion effects granted by you by 70%.

    Then it would be clear that the intent was for Soteria to buff only and specifically Kardion. However, since no attacks mention Eudaimonia at all, we cannot know if the lack of mention of Eudaimonia in Soteria is an intentional indicator that Soteria does not affect Eudaimonia without actually seeing the combination in action.

    Did any of the media tour folks demonstrate this so we could see if they interact or not?
    Philosophia affects all spells and not just damage spells so it really wouldn’t work

    Like if you use soteria then philosophia then e diagnosis kardia isn’t being triggered so there is nothing for soteria to buff

    Soteria doesn’t mention buffing eudamonia at all it only mentions kardia
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    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess