Please give a PERSONAL crafting option for other "FC" exteriors

[zeth07]

If I hypothetically wanted to have "Large Smithy Walls" I can't get them on my own unless I buy them off the MB because they are FC crafts only. And it seems like those go for anywhere from 2m - 9.7m.

So it's not even an issue of not being allowed to use said item, I just can't "make it" which makes it even more strange.

In theory I could take all those would-be crafting materials and just sell them instead of "crafting" the item and just outright buy it, but that is potentially questionable if whoever listed it has it extremely marked up beyond the value of said materials anyway.

SOLUTION:
- If there still needs to be an unlock item it could work like any other master book or crafter/gather relic turn-ins. Since the FC version requires submarine materials that wouldn't work for personals so just make other relevant options and turn those in to UNLOCK the recipe in a separate masterbook-like section.

- Make it so the personal version is UNTRADEABLE. This means it won't take away from the FC version being tradeable. It would also mean they could reduce the crafting requirement quantities but I'd gladly take that trade-off of still requiring a lot if it was possible anyway. This also makes it a commitment in whether or not people want to make it because they aren't getting anything in return once it's made in terms of potential resell value since they can't.

- If there were reduced crafting requirements there would need to be a "flag" on the item that is strictly only usable on personals or else the FCs could just make the same version with less materials. But again, they could keep the material requirements the same to avoid that and just have to deal with the same materials as a personal option.

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It just seems really weird that we are allowed to get personal houses but if someone wanted a Carbuncle / Paissa / whatever themed house they are just screwed unless they pay up instead of being able to do the same crafting experience as an FC. But they could use said exteriors anyway so they aren't even "exclusive" to FCs...Let us remove the middle man.

[Frizze]

I got mine by borrowing a friends workshop. I brought in the mats, he fed them into his furnace, it spit out my walls.

[GlowClam]

The prices for house walls, the middlemen you mentioned, are justified on the market.

A free company needs a whole year to build up a fleet of airships and submersibles. Only then can the necessary materials be collected to release the plans for the house walls with this fleet. These materials can only be exchanged and not traded on the market. It takes several weeks to collect the materials required to unlock a building plan.

Nothing can be earned during this time!

Added to this is the time invested in the game to collect the materials required for a house wall. Most of the materials have to be processed and the house wall built in the workshop during rapid synthesis.

My times for collecting, pre-synthesis, house building, if I do it alone:

* Small house wall approx. 40 minutes
* Medium house wall approx. 100 minutes
* Large house wall approx. 160 minutes

In my free society, building a fleet and building house walls were communal projects. Everyone who took part had a share of the profits from the sale of the houses.

The solution you propose would destroy the reward for a lot of game time invested because the prices on the market for houses would collapse. Even if the houses built using your method cannot be traded on the market. And then the moaning would start again because you can't earn anything with craftsmen and collectors on the market.

It makes more sense to me if workshops could also be set up in private homes. Then everyone would have the opportunity to make house walls if they are prepared to invest a lot of time in it. Market prices would only fall slightly.

Even better: a free society could be found that regularly builds house walls and divides the profits among the members who participate. And they will even build a house wall for you!

[Burmecia]

- Make it so the personal version is UNTRADEABLE. This means it won't take away from the FC version being tradeable.

Ahem. Inhale.
"Waa, look at all these FCs making money, filthy scrooges, by their submarines and workshop crating products they are able to sell!!!"

...
Back when I needed pro bono crafting help more Limsa almost never let me down.
"Can someone craft me the new tank boots? Got mats, will tip! "
"Need 3 people sitting in my workshop for a bit. Plsplspls help! I'm gonna make airship." (people knew what you meant)

Then, I used to be the helper as well. Crafting people things if I came across someone in need, or melding, or sitting in their workshops and watching as their project nudged forward in progress.
If I absolutely wanted house skin I hadn't unlocked yet, guess I would just borrow someone's workshop. It's probably not that hard. Put on pf: "Can I borrow your workshop? Got mats ready for house skin X, pls help!"
Which was actually what I did when I wanted the restaurant wall when it was new, but i had lost all the unlocking materials for workshop because im dumdum and didn't really want to start farm them from scratch.

Just don't forget to tip. I'm from EU so we don't do that IRL, but in game I think it's just nice. You got your thing below mb pricing.

[Bun_Vivant]

And do you also want to be able to craft "personal" versions of Savage and Ultimate tier drops?
Or of ultra rare mounts?

Well, to quote the Man in Black from The Princess Bride, "Get used to disappointment."
Wise words for us all.

[Jojoya]

You belong to a free company that has a FC house, and I would assume a workshop.

Did you think to ask for the needed permissions to use the Fabrication Station? There's really no reason for FCs not to give their members access to the Fabrication Station on request as long as there's no half-completed project already sitting on it. The Fabrication Station is completely separate from the Voyage Control Panel with a separate set of permissions so it's not like you could mess around with the airships/subs while you were crafting the housing skin.

Just in case you aren't aware, you no longer need a Light Party when using the Fabrication Station. You can do it all solo as long as you're given all the needed permissions.

I can understand that a larger FC like yours wouldn't want to give everyone blanket access all the time but surely they're willing on request?

[Ravenblade1979]

I mean. Become friends with someone with access to a fc workshop and give them the mats. Most will just up amd utilize it to craft you the walls but don't expect it for free.

Also don't think privates having access to fc workshop is a good idea. You think gil making is Rampant now. Give ppl an extra avenue to pump out housing skins and sub/airship parts and see what happens.

[UkcsAlias]

And do you also want to be able to craft "personal" versions of Savage and Ultimate tier drops?
Or of ultra rare mounts?

Not the same.

For ultimate/savage content, you can generaly prove your skill quite well in extremes, and through that request to be invited towards statics or other group finding linkshells. These can aid a lot at finding a real static group to clear it and farm it. You dont even need the linkshells here, it can all be done through party finder, and since there is a bulk of players for such content, its well obtainable as long as your skill is good enough. For outdated savages you can go for unsync.

For FCs, even if you get invited, there is no guarantee you can ever do something with the workshop. You would need others to make an Fc for you, and even then you need the luck of obtaining a house. Thats a huge RNG factor. But it gets worse. Where unlike extreme/savage etc you cannot rely on an ingame system to balance the things. If you need to trade the raw resources, you need to hope they will make the facade for you and not take it and then ignore you (and kick you from an FC if you are in one). Players can be horrible here, so you would need trusted friends to achieve this (which if you are at that point, you most likely already have workshop access in their FC anyway).

And it gets worse when you have to rely on wiki pages to know the resources rather than being able to view the FC status (and benefit from the discounts it can give).

For savage content you need to find good people to clear it. For workshop access you need good friends to perform the tasks for you if you dont have access yourself. Friendbuilding is often a lot harder than savage.

[zeth07]

I mean. Become friends with someone with access to a fc workshop and give them the mats. Most will just up amd utilize it to craft you the walls but don't expect it for free.

Also don't think privates having access to fc workshop is a good idea. You think gil making is Rampant now. Give ppl an extra avenue to pump out housing skins and sub/airship parts and see what happens.

You mean what is literally already happening because people exploit the FC system and every single person has seen the mass "FCs" buying up the wards from before...

Or the people purposefully making FCs with 3 others just for them to leave so they can have access to the FC workshops/submarines...

Am I supposed to see something else? Because in theory even if it didn't work the way I stated, if everyone could straight up do Workshop/Submarines and not just FCs then the prices should drop.

The marketboard is already screwed up with people already buying things extremely overpriced, if anything all the prices/market should crash.

But that's a whole other issue.

[Ravenblade1979]

Lol I give you apples and you try to throw back oranges.

Become...friends....with....someone...who....is....willing....to...craft....you....the....housing...skin.

Do I need to be anymore clear? I even see prices on mb but I own a fc with all recipes. If someone needed a skin made...all I would ask is they provide the mats. I have done this multiple times before.