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    Dr Strangelove
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    Black Mage Lv 100

    Please reconsider how skills are distributed through the levels.

    There are two main reasons I think SE should reconsider how and when some skills are obtained by certain jobs. The first main reason is that it makes the levelling experience more engaging if the jobs feel more complete early on, and the second main reason is because of how jobs perform in legacy/evergreen content like Roulettes, Savages and Ultimates when level synced.

    These are a few suggestions for some jobs that would benefit:

    Warrior: my suggestion for warrior would be to make Berserk function the same as Inner Release but for Inner Beast.

    Dark Knight: this job mainly needs it's AOE mitigation (Dark Missionary) to be moved to Level 70 or below so that it is available in Lv 70 Ultimates.

    Melee DPS: their AOE abilities should be accessible at slightly lower levels.

    Reaper: this job should have better access to some of it's burst skills at lower levels it should be able to functionally use a decent burst (Enshroud) at level 70 during the start of a fight.

    White Mage: Afflatus Rapture should be available at level 70 or below.

    Bard: give Bard Bane.

    Black Mage: the big one here is giving Black Mage access to Umbral Soul much earlier on. I would argue as low as Level 30 since the proposed changes to mana regen are tied to being able to hit an enemy with an Ice spell and this won't always be possible. But at the very least it should be available from Level 70.

    Furthermore, Black Mage has the issue that at and below level 50 the job feels often clunky and lack lustre, players spend a reasonable time at these levels especially in the duty finder (even when they are max level) and it is very dull to play at these levels. In Endwalker you made the AOE much better but the single target rotation is pretty bad at these levels (50 and below), I don't have a great solution for this my only suggestion is to give Black Mage Fire IV at 50 (without Umbral Hearts) since this would at least allow players to learn how the rotation works from around this level. I know that currently Fire IV is the capstone ability for Lv 60 but this seems to be the only way to improve it's playability that I can think of. The other option would be to give it a weaker version of Fire IV for players to use in it's place which will later be upgraded to Fire IV at 60.
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    Last edited by StrangeIove; 06-10-2024 at 05:10 AM.

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    Aubrenard Sondraix
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    even if you dont move the skill itself, having a new smaller or similar skill that then "ranks up" into that would be a welcome change--giving new players a more interesting and well-rounded leveling experience (especially healers, who will press one button for the vast majority of their careers)
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    Quote Originally Posted by SpiralMask View Post
    even if you dont move the skill itself, having a new smaller or similar skill that then "ranks up" into that would be a welcome change--giving new players a more interesting and well-rounded leveling experience (especially healers, who will press one button for the vast majority of their careers)
    Yea I completely agree with this sentiment, it's a great (and relatively easy) way to improve jobs playability at lower levels. Summoner and Monk are proof of this.
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    Aravis Envinyon
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    I second black mage getting umbral soul at a lower level. Particular with the MP changes coming in Dawntrail, it might be possible to use lucid dreaming to recover MP between groups of enemies in dungeons, but having umbral soul would certainly make things more convenient.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Envinyon View Post
    I second black mage getting umbral soul at a lower level. Particular with the MP changes coming in Dawntrail, it might be possible to use lucid dreaming to recover MP between groups of enemies in dungeons, but having umbral soul would certainly make things more convenient.
    Very much so, I hope that SE have at least already thought of this but if not hopefully this post will help >.<
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    Senah Ayari
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    Agreed. To help new players better get into the game, the jobs should be more interesting at lower levels.
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    Abia Sound
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    agreed utterrly and completely
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    Ulala Ula
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    Shiva
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    Quote Originally Posted by SpiralMask View Post
    even if you dont move the skill itself, having a new smaller or similar skill that then "ranks up" into that would be a welcome change--giving new players a more interesting and well-rounded leveling experience (especially healers, who will press one button for the vast majority of their careers)
    THIS so much... just make lesser versions of most spells/skills... would also make sync less soul crushing...
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    Xeno Velmont
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    Totally agreed!
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    Pompadora Dora
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    Marilith
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    Fisher Lv 100
    My hot take is that every class should resemble the level cap version by level 60. They don't need the full array of buttons, but it shouldn't feel substantially different to go into POTD or Dun Scaith as a class than it does to do Expert Roulette.

    In service of that, White Mage deserves a lily usage the moment you put the stone on, and ideally for Stoneskin to come back during ARR as a worse version of Divine Benison that gets upgraded into something actually good.
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