#FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

[xbahax92]

"Hey, does anyone not like chocolate?"

"Actually I like chocolate"

"THIS THREAD ISN'T FOR YOU, LEAVE!!!"

To be fair, some people jump in here to spite players, instead of well.. you know explain why they think xyz isn't good or why they dont agree with it. But then again, you have extremists on both sides, so it's a bit difficult to filter the important stuff.

While I also dont think this "strike" will have any effect in game, cause well.. it is expansion time, we have been on the longest content drought ever in those 10 years. People are craving new stuff, a brand new adventure. Many players will play healer nonetheless. And actually, I'd advice everyone to level their healers after some time. It's valuable feedback for future job adjustments during the 7.x series.
Nevertheless, the thread got some good traction and even if the strike is "ridiculous", there might be a good chance, that the healer misery will be once again mentioned in a liveletter or interview.

[Turtledeluxe]

Eh maybe i've been lost in translation and I apologise, I will leave now.

Good luck on your strike, although I will not experience it.

Lots of people didn't experience the benchmark changes yet it still got changed.

So leaving is your best course of action. It's not like you can intellectualize your simple dislike of the strike any further.

And that really goes for all arguments. If it's ineffective, thanks for letting us know. If it's mean to other players, thanks for letting us know.

[Sesera]

''hey, does anyone not like chocolate?''

''yeah im not fond of it''

''oh my god look at this echo chamber guys''

No it's more

"Should I do [insert stupid idea]?"

"No you shouldn't"

"Why are you even here what do you bring to the matter?"

[GrimGale]

No it's more

"Should I do [insert stupid idea]?"

"No you shouldn't"

"Why are you even here what do you bring to the matter?"

Bad faith.

What's a better idea to protest the changes, and the directions the devs have been taking? Please tell us.

"Just don't do anything, nothing you do will matter, leave healer role, leave game." Those have already been said. And argued against.

What's your intelligent new take to solve this?

[Erzaa]

I won't be striking, I'm sorry. I already make enough mistakes in duties and get super nervous healing, and a lot of my duties tend to have people who need all those big heals anyway.

Having said that, this thread is 3 days old and already 95 pages long. That should be enough evidence that it's at least having some effect, so keep at it.

Rooting for all of you!

[Jkap_Goat]

I've been complaining about healer job gameplay since they butched AST in ShB, I don't have any hope for FFXIV with and how the devs does healers,I wish u all the success guys

[LeiyaAwandah]

I'll add a +1.
I've effectively been boycotting for the last 15 months - only popping in to say hi during Free Logins - I wasn't very polite in the survey they sent out last November either.
I effectively issued an ultimatum: I want some clear indication that they will improve Healer design by DT (preferably in DT), or I will never give them another cent.


YoshiP's off hand remark that they "looking at job design in 8.0" during the 81st PLL is genuinely the only reason I haven't permanently uninstalled the game out of sheer and utter apathy.
The PLL otherwise confirmed that DT will be ShB 3.0, and I genuinely cannot tolerate another 3 years of such unengaging job design around healers; the others aren't exactly doing much better, but they're nowhere near as dire a state as healers are.







As for my me, I started playing late in Stormblood, as a Conjurer, mistaking the highly elemental focused description as being more of a "Black Mage" and not the White Mage precursor.

WHM though was really boring until you started getting access to the Lillies - which I couldn't because my level cap back then was 50.
After hitting the cap, I decided to try the other healer I could access as I had gotten quite comfortable in the role.
The difference was stark; juggling multiple dots, having Aetherflow as early as level 8 to dish out Energy Drains (that actually packed a punch back then too), unlike WHM, it was just so much fun, and I immediately considered myself a Scholar main since.


Then about a month later ShB arrived, and I was gutted that every single healer became a simplified version of Stormblood's WHM.
I mained AST for the bulk of ShB; AST with Noct Sect was the only thing that came close to giving me a similar dopamine rush as Stormblood's SCH did.
I ended the expansion playing Red Mage, and I was genuinely having way more fun and felt way more engagement as a healer dual casting Verraise in Bozja, than I did throughout nearly all of EW.

That is just sad.

SGE changed nothing, but Phlegma and Icarus was kind of neat though.




I don't care that much about the other jobs, but I really want SCH to regain its DoTs from Stormblood.

[Ravenblade1979]

Lol I'm actually amused this is still going on. Go on "strike". You pretty expendable and we got healers everywhere.

[Jojoya]

Wait... so are we making a difference in the ques or not?

Many feel, justifiably so, that they're not being heard, so they're gonna make sure everyone knows. I don't think it's wrong to dissuade new players from chossing any other job outside healer when they'll be more engaged, clear the content faster, and have a feeling of progression. If a content creator wants to comment that's up to them. We can't force them to spread the word. Advertising alt parties in pf isn't some crazy act of defiance either. It's just a more fun and efficient way to run content.

I will say... if frontlines taught me anything, is that a small dedicated group can cause a heck of a lot of discourse. I was dreading this expansion, but now I'm giddy with excitement as I try to clear all of its content without any healers.

Well have you been queueing as a healer all this time up to now or not? Or have you just been running as healer with your friends and statics?

If you have been impacting queue times, you're not going to win support by taking decent queue times away and then only offering them back once you get what you want. That's a form of extortion and again, it's fellow players paying the penalty and not the entity you're really mad it - the developers. Even if you get the result you want, does it improve things for other players? No. It would put things right back where they originally were.

A small group can generate discourse but discourse isn't action. Action is what is needed and only SE can take that action you want.

Strike or not, we are players who are choosing not to play a role, as is our right. If other players are inconvenienced by this choice? Well, they won't, didn't you see how many people are adopting a "Bye, no one will miss you" attitude in this very thread? Clearly they don't need us to queue, so I don't know why you're here claiming we're disrupting anyone.

I know that you know better than that. The very small self-selected group posting on these forums are not a good representation of the general player base.

But as I asked above, have you been queueing for random matchmaking as a healer on a regular basis up until now or have you just been sticking to healing for friends and statics?

If you rarely queue as a healer then you're absolutely right. You're not disrupting things for anyone because you weren't trying to be a part of their game experience in the past. You're blowing a lot of hot air around trying to get what you want.

You are correct. You're not under any onus to play a healer. You're free to choose any job you like just like any other player.

Why do you want to be part of organizing a strike in that case? Why not just stop healing and leave it at that?

Are you for real?

This is a video game.

That I pay money.

To a company.

To play.

In my free time.

After working all day.

If I don't want to spam Art of War 2 for 20 minutes while you get to actually enjoy your Role / Job, I am in no way obligated to do it, nor is it immoral for me to choose not to, and/or communicate with others who feel the same way.

Like, really... stop trying to make Healers feel like they're Nestle Corporation buying-up rights to drinking-water sources just because they're tired of their role feeling like garbage to play.

Are you for real?

I mean calling for a strike in a video game that people play for fun in their free time after working all day?

Seriously?

I have still yet to have someone explain to me in a clear and non rude way what are we actually supposed to do

We’ve done everything the devs constantly tell us to do. There is enough feedback on the healer forums to make 1000 MMO’s. We have tried to plead our case. We have tried to garner support on different listening posts to varying degrees of success yet the devs are completely silent. Paralysed in this half half mantra that nobody enjoys

Many people have come on here and said “I rarely or never post on the forums but I have become sick of this problem as well”, the copy of the post on the mainsub trended towards positive after the initial deluge of poor responses and the discussion sub post was basically “supportive nihilism”. At the very least this is getting people to talk. I know at least one YouTuber who is planning on researching a video on this.

If the hashtag was “walk away from healers” would people still oppose it so strongly. Sure there are other healers who may fill our spots and I don’t doubt that but also the tanks and DPS aren’t proverbially entitled to have us fill their queues. The playerbase isn’t being used as a bargaining chip because that relies on the assumption I play healer to fill others queues, I play healer because I enjoy the concept of healing.

If someone who opposes this so strongly has an actual valid path forward for us that doesn’t amount to a veiled way to say “shut up and deal with it” I’d genuinely like to know

What you are supposed to do is what you feel is in your best interest.

If you don't like healing anymore, don't heal. Play other jobs if you like other jobs. Quit the game if you just can't find satisfaction from any part of the game.

As you've said, the feedback has been there for several years now. The developers have had plenty of time to go through that feedback.

What's funny is they did respond to that feedback and you guys haven't put two and two together.

Duty Support. What a nice little fix to two of their problems they were trying solve. Some players were uncomfortable in groups and wanted a way to play solo. Other players were upset with queue times, frequently caused by a lack of healers. Now everyone can just hop into Duty Support if they don't have healers friends willing to run with them or don't want to play with others.

You want a path forward? Work with those that we 100% know the developers pay attention to - the content creators. Get invited to their podcasts and streams that the developers follow to talk about the state of healing from a broader player perspective instead of the typical Savage/Ultimate perspective that tends to be covered. Collect stories from healer mains from all skill levels and content types - what got them into healing, what made them fall in love with the role, why are they falling out of love with the role or are they still happy.

Present a diverse perspective and then show ways things can be changed to keep all satisfied.

But most of all - follow your heart. Don't try to influence the choices of others. It's up to them to make their own choice.

Silence action speaks much louder than vocal but futile repetition. If you don't like healing anymore, just don't heal. Don't say things like "I won't queue as healer but I'll still heal for my static".

Just don't heal at all. SE is far more likely to pay attention if Savage clear rates drop because parties are having a hard time finding healers than they are to queue times increasing since Duty Support is an option.

But other players are going to end up pissed if you make a stink out of how you're not healing for them anymore. They're not going to blame SE. They're not going to blame themselves for not becoming a healer. They're going to blame those who are publicly vocal about how they're a healer main and they're on strike.

When Asura fight got released, yes, everyone in the party we new to the fight, yet our tanks were WAR and PLD. Everyone was dead at boss' 56%, yet the tanks duo'd the boss until the clear, giving no one a chance to enjoy the fight, even after the party demanded a reset. They didn't listen. Was this fun? Not at all. We all spent like 10-15 minutes dead watching tanks fight it alone. Things like these aren't fun, it's active grieving by SE. Maybe SE should ban themselves for breaking their own rules.

That's not active griefing but it is poor design. All roles should be needed in group content or what's the point of having roles at all. Everyone can just go play Warrior.

Speaking of that, perhaps that's another course forward. All the disaffected healers should start playing as Warrior because it's only coming from a Warrior that healing gets to be meaningful in this game.

There is no excuse to wait till 8.0 to fix the healer role. They have to fix it now! And if that means that 7.1 has to be delayed so be it.

Hate to be the bearer of bad news but they're not going to delay 7.1 to coddle a few healers throwing temper tantrums.

[arstoka]

Personal opinions aside on the state of healing in FF14 (I'm what you call a casual healer, mostly play healer in casual settings as SGE for roulettes or SCH for PVP) I can see where many complaints and concerns lie.

I'm mostly impartial to the movement but wish you all well for the changes you want to make your primary jobs more fun an engaging.

While the "Strike" is a little ill defined in terms of coming up with a concrete list of requests (as everyone has their own opinion on how the jobs should function) I would, at the very least, like to draw your attention to the fact that there is a little be of conversation happening on youtube.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpRUXedEZ-M

Take that as you will. Either way, have a nice day!