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  1. #8661
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aravell View Post
    This isn't even remotely true. MNK gets reworked every expansion, are you saying that every MNK player unsubs and quits after one expansion?

    If the job numbers drops low enough, they will take a look. It doesn't require people to unsub.
    "AST is the least played healer in EW"
    -> "Let's remove everything that attracts the current AST mains because it will surely bring non AST players to pick the job and stick with it !"
    "AST is even less played now, how could this happen ?

    I really really don't understand SE reasoning...

    And yeah I know it's somewhat popular in savage (at least during week 1 it was), because the balance of the jobs is so bad people feel forced to pick it for the dps (even if it's not needed because the dps checks are laughable).
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  2. #8662
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sharawiwi View Post
    "AST is the least played healer in EW"
    -> "Let's remove everything that attracts the current AST mains because it will surely bring non AST players to pick the job and stick with it !"
    "AST is even less played now, how could this happen ?

    I really really don't understand SE reasoning...

    And yeah I know it's somewhat popular in savage (at least during week 1 it was), because the balance of the jobs is so bad people feel forced to pick it for the dps (even if it's not needed because the dps checks are laughable).
    I'm pretty sure AST has a higher play rate now not because it's more fun, but because it's still a straight up better WHM and now it no longer gives you carpal tunnel when played for long periods of time.
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  3. #8663
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aravell View Post
    I'm pretty sure AST has a higher play rate now not because it's more fun, but because it's still a straight up better WHM and now it no longer gives you carpal tunnel when played for long periods of time.
    Just checked, still the less played in savage healer, with at the very least a 10k players margin from the second less played healer, and this despite AST dealing a whopping 700+ more rdps than every other healer.
    If you correct with this bias + the casualisation bias you mentioned, ie being a carbon copy of WHM but strictly better, it really seems we've lost a chunk of AST players, and this population will rapidly plummet the moment AST is nerfed.

    Maybe I'm mistaken tho, I haven't done a full study about it (we need to hire a data scientist !!).
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  4. #8664
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sharawiwi View Post
    Just checked, still the less played in savage healer, with at the very least a 10k players margin from the second less played healer, and this despite AST dealing a whopping 700+ more rdps than every other healer.
    If you correct with this bias + the casualisation bias you mentioned, ie being a carbon copy of WHM but strictly better, it really seems we've lost a chunk of AST players, and this population will rapidly plummet the moment AST is nerfed.

    Maybe I'm mistaken tho, I haven't done a full study about it (we need to hire a data scientist !!).
    Huh, the highest damage healer in the game right now, not much harder to play than WHM, slowed down to the point where you can single weave and doesn't hurt your fingers when played for long periods anymore, but still the least played healer.

    Turns out that, if you alienate parts of an already small playerbase, you might see it become smaller. Who knew? Certainly not the job design team!

    Edit: I do seem to recall that there were quite a few people stating "Wow, AST looks great in DT, I'm definitely playing it!", wonder how many of them are still playing AST now?
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    Last edited by Aravell; 08-18-2024 at 10:58 PM.

  5. #8665
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sharawiwi View Post
    "AST is even less played now, how could this happen ?
    It has second-most M4S clears, after SCH. I speculate this is because latter floor clears are from more skilled players and these play jobs for their strengths and AST has best dps and best healing.

    Unsurprisingly jobs that truly suck like DRK are unpopular. And the most popular tank is not WAR, but PLD.
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  6. #8666
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    Lol if AST numbers goes up, that's probably more because ppl get to play their "WHM but star and card VFX" finally after so many years. Who knows
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  7. #8667
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    I'm going to say the same thing that everyone else tells me when I've said the exact same thing about Healers, Tanks, and DPS.
    If you don't like it play something else.
    Or
    This isn't like other games or other FF games.

    I've played FFXI where, just about every job was unique to playing FFXIV ARR where, most jobs were unique to now FFXIV DT where, very few jobs are unique.

    SE has made it very clear these past years, less individual unique jobs and more jobs per role that are basically the same and the only uniqueness is what the skills are named.
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  8. #8668
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    I already play lots of other games and I have free time so I'm going to use it to pester the devs to make this one better until the servers shut down or they directly kick me in the forehead.
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    it/its - 14 accessibility is bad, ease of access is not accessibility, jobs are boring. Transphobia ruins real attempts at criticism and it's whack.

  9. #8669
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rein_eon_Osborne View Post
    Lol if AST numbers goes up, that's probably more because ppl get to play their "WHM but star and card VFX" finally after so many years. Who knows
    I'm leveling AST and Lightspeed probably shows SE should check faster gameplay with shorter GCD. Also stars and stuff.

    Quote Originally Posted by animeking View Post
    SE has made it very clear these past years, less individual unique jobs and more jobs per role that are basically the same and the only uniqueness is what the skills are named.
    They had the problem of a tank that could block physical attacks but the boss had magical ones. Old-style unique/job identity is extremely hard to balance if at all.
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  10. #8670
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    Quote Originally Posted by sharknado View Post
    They had the problem of a tank that could block physical attacks but the boss had magical ones. Old-style unique/job identity is extremely hard to balance if at all.
    All they had to do was give Paladin their own version of Dark Mind. They had no problem doing it for Dark Knight while it was an avoidance based tank by way of Dark Passenger blinds and Dark Dance dodge and parry boosts after all.
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