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  1. #8601
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    Aravell's Avatar
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    Limsa Lominsa
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    J'thaldi Rhid
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    Mateus
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    Machinist Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Azurarok View Post
    At any rate I feel like a lot of things the role's lost over the years was more due to bad experiences with a healer player as opposed to having a rough time playing healer, and the funny thing is that doing so didn't seem to have fixed the problem. Possibly made it worse even.
    The constant removal of any and all things that require any sort of brainpower on healers is exactly why the healer quality is so low.

    They can't just design something that you can pick up and master in 30 minutes and expect people to stick with it long-term.

    It's very likely that the only people who actually enjoy healing are the people who struggle with it. The moment anyone masters healing, they'll immediately see how unfulfilling the role is.
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  2. #8602
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    Ramiee's Avatar
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    Grainne Gothram
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    Cerberus
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    Black Mage Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by sharknado View Post
    But still no Esuna on Doom
    Don't worry in DT they'll learn to Esuna through the role quests. Only takes until level 92 for this to become a thing healers are forced to learn.
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  3. #8603
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    Alice_Rivers's Avatar
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    Alice Rivers
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    Omega
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    White Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Ramiee View Post
    Don't worry in DT they'll learn to Esuna through the role quests. Only takes until level 92 for this to become a thing healers are forced to learn.
    And then it never shows up in the dungeons or trials for some reason.
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  4. #8604
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    Ramiee's Avatar
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    Grainne Gothram
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    Cerberus
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    Black Mage Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by Alice_Rivers View Post
    And then it never shows up in the dungeons or trials for some reason.
    Something something too hard for casual healers something something tanks now have a role action for raid wide esuna
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  5. #8605
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    ZephyrMenodora's Avatar
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    Zephyr Menodora
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    Zalera
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    White Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Alice_Rivers View Post
    And then it never shows up in the dungeons or trials for some reason.
    You can esuna a strong poison in the M3 normal raid. It's helpful and better than trying to regen over it.

    But again it's requires someone getting hit.
    (5)

  6. #8606
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    Allegor's Avatar
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    Red Rider
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    Hyperion
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    Sage Lv 90
    I miss the old ARR and HW type fights where random people getting debuffs was the mechanic, rather than an icon of shame for failing one.
    (4)
    Quote Originally Posted by Allegor View Post
    Can't increase healing requirements because "it'd stress the newbies"
    Can't increase dps options either because "it'd stress the newbies"
    so apparently the only option that doesn't "stress the newbies" is either pressing 1211111111, or do nothing at all.

  7. #8607
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    PercibelTheren's Avatar
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    Percibel Theren
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    Zodiark
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    Astrologian Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Alice_Rivers View Post
    And then it never shows up in the dungeons or trials for some reason.
    Yeah, this bugs me to no end. They make the entire role quest about Esuna and then...I can't think of a single instance of needing to Esuna something. Granted, I only play healer when asked to when doing roulettes with my FC mates, but still.
    (3)

  8. #8608
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    Supersnow845's Avatar
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    Andreas Cestelle
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    Jenova
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    Scholar Lv 100
    They seem to be moving in the direction of esuna Is a way to give healers agency via offering them a choice on how to rectify a mistake by another player that gives a debuff

    Ie- can I solve this by simply using oGCD’s to cover the debuffs effects or do I want to play it safe and use esuna so they aren’t at risk of dying

    I don’t actually mind this approach but it has the fatal flaw of the fact that dungeons hit so little that 99 times out of 100 it’s never worth giving up a GCD for esuna unless the debuff is doom or a long slow. DOT’s can just be ignored and anything like silence of pacification drops off faster than you can use esuna anyway

    I’m totally fine with esuna being the “choice oh how to fix party mistakes” but they have to actually make the debuffs damaging to the party success rate for it to feel meaningful
    (5)
    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess

  9. #8609
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    Lorika's Avatar
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    Kaeline Artelus
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    Phantom
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    Gunbreaker Lv 74
    Quote Originally Posted by sharknado View Post
    But still no Esuna on Doom
    There is several type of Doom and not all of them can be removed with Esuna.

    For exemple, on this dungeon there is two type of Doom : one can be removed with Esuna, the other need the target to be healed to full HP.
    (0)

  10. #8610
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    Sivante Si'akea
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    Zalera
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    Blue Mage Lv 80
    Esuna isn't really a valid point imo. It's a thing they 'give' healers, but it's hit or miss as to whether it'll even work on a given mechanic. Much like giving interrupts to tanks, but most abilities aren't really interruptable.

    It's like handing out guns to an army, knowing full well half their opposition is immune to bullets. Calling it a utility comes with so many caveats that it's hardly worth thinking about.
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