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  1. #8581
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    MisterNublet's Avatar
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    Autechre Voidmoon
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    Midgardsormr
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    Sage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Somnolence View Post
    Higher % of players in JP play savage, which means higher % of casual players try and engage with this content.
    Right, that's fine if the causal players try to engage with the content.

    But if they cannot cut it in savage, there is easier content for them to enjoy or they can practice on until they get good enough to attempt savage again.

    The fact that these players refuse to get good, then go onto the forums to cry to make the jobs, and fights easier because they refuse to learn, and SE's continuous pandering to these players is why job design/balance, combat design, and the trinity system is in the sorry state that it is in.
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  2. #8582
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    Kes13a's Avatar
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    Etherea Stormaire
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    Zalera
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    White Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Somnolence View Post
    Well SE did not took this direction randomly. It was based on feedback and it was certainly not ours.

    Idk if its healthy for the game if healing is made idiot proof so you put all weakest players here to press few buttons when needed and auto-win content. Since then only such players will play this role, it will be way too boring for better ones.

    And you still need to do mechs so if weaker players are all in one role it will just result in new forms of toxicity.
    problem being.... okay, they say the healers they get are garbage.. fair. SE made them so anyone with a faint glimmer of a pulse can play them... and then expects a crop of skilled people to do it? thats not how it works

    but is a DPS REALLY going to interupt their dps phases to gives heals to a party? I would say that a majority of the time no, they will not.

    so SE may have done this with a plan.. but what plan? if people playing dps wanted to heal... they would play a healer.
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    #FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

  3. #8583
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    Sharawiwi's Avatar
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    Shara Wilia
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    Phantom
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    Gunbreaker Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Azurarok View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by MisterNublet View Post
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    This and this, I cannot insist on how true it is.
    Regarding the phys ranged shortage, it seems right now that having a phys ranged in your comp instead of double melees double casters is a loss dps wise :') , and not a small one.

    No competent healers want to heal absolute disaster players in raid, be it uptime greedy melees, lost in narnia pct/smn and worst of all having to solo carry because your coheal is terrible. Litteraly everything in the current state of the game is pushing great healers out.

    Who feels like breaking a sweat to carry mulitple level 100 players in expert content who wouldnt pass (and it's not an overstatement) the novice trial...

    When you're in a full static it's totally fine tho, the problem is setting such a static in the current state, the overcasualization of the game really brought some "laid back" players with habits unfit for prog, in savage.
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  4. #8584
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    Ramiee's Avatar
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    Grainne Gothram
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    Cerberus
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    Black Mage Lv 50
    PF JPs ideal healer is a potion, anything besides that is too complicated.
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  5. #8585
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    CaptainLagbeard's Avatar
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    Rhaya Jakkya
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    Odin
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    White Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Kes13a View Post
    problem being.... okay, they say the healers they get are garbage.. fair. SE made them so anyone with a faint glimmer of a pulse can play them... and then expects a crop of skilled people to do it? thats not how it works

    but is a DPS REALLY going to interupt their dps phases to gives heals to a party? I would say that a majority of the time no, they will not.

    so SE may have done this with a plan.. but what plan? if people playing dps wanted to heal... they would play a healer.
    I think the plan is to make some roles much worse than others without any consideration as to what it might do to the amount of people playing these roles.
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  6. #8586
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    Kes13a's Avatar
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    Etherea Stormaire
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    Zalera
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    White Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainLagbeard View Post
    I think the plan is to make some roles much worse than others without any consideration as to what it might do to the amount of people playing these roles.
    if thats the case then they have in fact succeeded and earned their paycheque.

    and soon, they will spread their success to all roles in the game

    how I am all atingle with anticipation... /s
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    #FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

  7. #8587
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    Maxilor's Avatar
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    Pocket Prince
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    Famfrit
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    White Mage Lv 57
    People are complaining that Party Finder groups can't find healers.

    Did the strike actually work?
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    The menacing aura of every Lalafell.

  8. #8588
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    Alice_Rivers's Avatar
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    Alice Rivers
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    Omega
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    White Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Maxilor View Post
    People are complaining that Party Finder groups can't find healers.

    Did the strike actually work?
    We'll find out when 8.0 lands.
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  9. #8589
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    Lorika's Avatar
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    Kaeline Artelus
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    Phantom
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    Gunbreaker Lv 74
    Quote Originally Posted by Alice_Rivers View Post
    We'll find out when 8.0 lands.
    No we don't.
    People should really start to read what YoshiP say : They will work on Job Identity... Which mean SFX/VFX not gameplay.
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  10. #8590
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    Azurarok's Avatar
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    Medim Azurarok
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    Siren
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    Machinist Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Sharawiwi View Post
    This and this, I cannot insist on how true it is.
    Regarding the phys ranged shortage, it seems right now that having a phys ranged in your comp instead of double melees double casters is a loss dps wise :') , and not a small one.

    No competent healers want to heal absolute disaster players in raid, be it uptime greedy melees, lost in narnia pct/smn and worst of all having to solo carry because your coheal is terrible. Litteraly everything in the current state of the game is pushing great healers out.

    Who feels like breaking a sweat to carry mulitple level 100 players in expert content who wouldnt pass (and it's not an overstatement) the novice trial...

    When you're in a full static it's totally fine tho, the problem is setting such a static in the current state, the overcasualization of the game really brought some "laid back" players with habits unfit for prog, in savage.
    No yeah the one SCH who opened with 6 energy drains and blamed their cohealer (not me, I was a dps) for wiping the group in the first set of raidwides can stay in my blacklist. I'm also guilty of letting a raid wipe from trying to dps during P10S' Harrowing Hell I'M SORRY I'M PART OF THE PROBLEM

    At any rate I feel like a lot of things the role's lost over the years was more due to bad experiences with a healer player as opposed to having a rough time playing healer, and the funny thing is that doing so didn't seem to have fixed the problem. Possibly made it worse even.
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    Last edited by Azurarok; 08-17-2024 at 04:58 AM. Reason: grammar

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