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    Kohashi's Avatar
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    NGL I find this post extremely funny for one reason, doing savage for 3 raid tiers and progging a lot in PF, I can safely say, that most of the player base hardly handles what they have now.

    Doing re-clears this week and last week has been pure agony especially.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kohashi View Post
    NGL I find this post extremely funny for one reason, doing savage for 3 raid tiers and progging a lot in PF, I can safely say, that most of the player base hardly handles what they have now.

    Doing re-clears this week and last week has been pure agony especially.
    People always "barely handle what they have now"
    MMO players always do the bare minimum. This is just something you learn to realize if you've played these games long enough.
    If what they're doing works, then all thought stops there. Most people don't care to self analyze or try to improve past "I didn't break any combos, or die to any mechanics."
    This was also the case back in Heavensward and Stormblood, and content still got cleared. People adapt or be filtered out of the game. This is just how gaming in general works. But when you appeal to the bare minimum of people who just want to succeed without actually putting in the thought or effort to do so, you have a playerbase with lower investment, meaning it takes far less time to lose interest.
    And that's not even pointing out that competent healers are off playing other roles because Healer feels terrible to play unless you're still brand new at it. For me, Healing got old before I even hit max. I think the moment I started to realize that was the fight with (solo duty after beating the final Endwalker Boss)
    That was the first time I regretted playing healer.
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    ForsakenRoe's Avatar
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    Samantha Redgrayve
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    Quote Originally Posted by GartredZW View Post
    (solo duty after beating the final Endwalker Boss)
    Big climactic finale for a 10 year story arc

    SE says 'press Glare/Broil/Dosis/Malefic like 80 times'

    Very cinematic and hype-inducing gameplay
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kohashi View Post
    NGL I find this post extremely funny for one reason, doing savage for 3 raid tiers and progging a lot in PF, I can safely say, that most of the player base hardly handles what they have now.

    Doing re-clears this week and last week has been pure agony especially.
    While it's true that some people can barely handle the current design (saying most players can't handle it is a huge stretch), that doesn't mean that they should keep going with uninspired job design that bores a lot of players.

    We shouldn't have 'baby's first healer' design slapped onto every job in the role because Jimmy Freecure struggles with clearing savage with full tome gear 2 months after the tier released.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aravell View Post
    While it's true that some people can barely handle the current design (saying most players can't handle it is a huge stretch), that doesn't mean that they should keep going with uninspired job design that bores a lot of players.

    We shouldn't have 'baby's first healer' design slapped onto every job in the role because Jimmy Freecure struggles with clearing savage with full tome gear 2 months after the tier released.
    FF14 never had any inspired designs at any point. Maybe a lot more cluttered, convoluted, and filled with poorly designed and outdated ideas.

    FF14 always had a bad job design from an MMO standpoint, probably because they tried to adapt and translate existing jobs and their spells from their previous games into an MMO counterpart and failed at it. The battle system always was clunky, uninspiring, and unrewarding regardless of the role/job.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kohashi View Post
    FF14 never had any inspired designs at any point. Maybe a lot more cluttered, convoluted, and filled with poorly designed and outdated ideas.

    FF14 always had a bad job design from an MMO standpoint, probably because they tried to adapt and translate existing jobs and their spells from their previous games into an MMO counterpart and failed at it. The battle system always was clunky, uninspiring, and unrewarding regardless of the role/job.
    That may be your opinion, but I found some of the HW/SB job kits interesting and rewarding when doing high-end optimisation.

    Regardless, let's take what you said at face value and say that it has never been good. Ok, now what's the reasoning in making the kits less interactive and worse? Just because something is bad doesn't justify making it worse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kohashi View Post
    NGL I find this post extremely funny for one reason, doing savage for 3 raid tiers and progging a lot in PF, I can safely say, that most of the player base hardly handles what they have now.

    Doing re-clears this week and last week has been pure agony especially.
    The playerbase basically becomes exactly as skilled as the job needs them to be. When difficulty is on the floor people will play to the floor. The game gives you no incentive to improve beyond a functional baseline (hell healers as reverse incentive as it’s more fun to play a healer when either you or your party sucks)

    If you are a casual healer main/common healer player what incentive do you have to improve beyond medica 2 spam. If you are a savage healer your incentive to improve is to press broil more often, it’s why I stopped healing in savage
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    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess

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    Kaeline Artelus
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    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    If you are a casual healer main/common healer player what incentive do you have to improve beyond medica 2 spam.
    Since when do you use Medica 2 in casual content?
    I mean.... past level 60.... If you use one Medica 2 by dungeon it's already a miracle XD
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    The All-Seeing Eye doesn’t want to see you.
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    Last edited by TBerry; 12-13-2024 at 01:20 AM.
    Dawntrail is what I imagine the entire MSQ as a healer-main.

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    Medim Azurarok
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    We just get to pretend it ended with a Seraph Strike
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