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  1. #8271
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    Kaeline Artelus
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    I want to apologize for my earlier post.
    It came out wrongly and probably rude.

    "Crappy" wasn't the best word to use. there is a lot of honest people that are trying their best to play correctly, but can't.
    By no mean i wanted to be rude or insulte them.
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  2. #8272
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    Drkdays's Avatar
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    Eternity Spellblade
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    Is this still going on? I still enjoy healing in 14, which is a bit strange since I abhor healing in WoW. It's still a very necessary class in all content and having a tank, healer and dps at 100 mean I can benefit from any of those that are currently needed on one character.
    (0)
    Your boos mean nothing! I've seen what makes you people cheer. -Rick Sanchez

  3. #8273
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    Ramiee's Avatar
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    Grainne Gothram
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lorika View Post
    Then your lucky, because i get them often on Chaos DC XD
    No you don't get it my dungeon parse is insanely important I have to stand in the aoes to charge my motifs, because I just have to okay!!
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  4. #8274
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    Quote Originally Posted by Drkdays View Post
    Is this still going on? I still enjoy healing in 14, which is a bit strange since I abhor healing in WoW. It's still a very necessary class in all content and having a tank, healer and dps at 100 mean I can benefit from any of those that are currently needed on one character.
    Yeah healing in XIV is great because you can play RuneScape on the other screen while if you play wow you have to sadly heal people. Well in best case scenarios I go as a healer in expert and get a warrior then I can afk the entire dungeon and play RuneScape for 20 minutes.
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  5. #8275
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    Supersnow845's Avatar
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    Andreas Cestelle
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ramiee View Post
    Yeah healing in XIV is great because you can play RuneScape on the other screen while if you play wow you have to sadly heal people. Well in best case scenarios I go as a healer in expert and get a warrior then I can afk the entire dungeon and play RuneScape for 20 minutes.
    I should renew my RuneScape subscription, I could get my divination level from 99 to 120 by healing

    I loved divination for some reason despite everyone else thinking it was the most boring skill they ever introduced
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    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess

  6. #8276
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    Elmind Exilus
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    Quote Originally Posted by ForsakenRoe View Post
    Snip for space
    Yeah, I recognize the diagram is showing just the "opener" with the pot at the beginning, but it's the interpretation I'm getting at. The claim being made by people with that graphic is that making the DPS aspect of healers simpler is somehow this horrible travesty that can't possibly be a good thing. I'm simply pointing out that for most of the time in most of the fights in most of the (typical) content, that graphic doesn't show at all what a typical Healer is actually doing. Mixing in the variety of heal spells typically needed in a random DF group (aka what the overwhelming majority of the playerbase actually does) would show that a typical Healer is in fact casting a wide variety of spells during the fight, which the graphic implies is not happening.
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  7. #8277
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    Quote Originally Posted by Striker44 View Post
    Yeah, I recognize the diagram is showing just the "opener" with the pot at the beginning, but it's the interpretation I'm getting at. The claim being made by people with that graphic is that making the DPS aspect of healers simpler is somehow this horrible travesty that can't possibly be a good thing. I'm simply pointing out that for most of the time in most of the fights in most of the (typical) content, that graphic doesn't show at all what a typical Healer is actually doing. Mixing in the variety of heal spells typically needed in a random DF group (aka what the overwhelming majority of the playerbase actually does) would show that a typical Healer is in fact casting a wide variety of spells during the fight, which the graphic implies is not happening.
    But that’s the thing. The oGCD’s don’t substitute for the loss of complexity because we press them less than we pressed old healing skills like rouse or succor and our DPS rotation is neutered

    We went from about 60/40 DPS/healing button presses where the DPS was split across 10 skills to 80/20 where the DPS is 2 skills

    Occasional oGCD heal presses don’t substitute the lost complexity at all
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    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess

  8. #8278
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    Kes13a's Avatar
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    Etherea Stormaire
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    Zalera
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    Quote Originally Posted by Striker44 View Post
    Yeah, I recognize the diagram is showing just the "opener" with the pot at the beginning, but it's the interpretation I'm getting at. The claim being made by people with that graphic is that making the DPS aspect of healers simpler is somehow this horrible travesty that can't possibly be a good thing. I'm simply pointing out that for most of the time in most of the fights in most of the (typical) content, that graphic doesn't show at all what a typical Healer is actually doing. Mixing in the variety of heal spells typically needed in a random DF group (aka what the overwhelming majority of the playerbase actually does) would show that a typical Healer is in fact casting a wide variety of spells during the fight, which the graphic implies is not happening.
    sorry, not sure what version of the game you are playing, but the "wide variety" of the spells I am using seem to be 21111111 wash... rinse... repeat.

    I suppose just to fit your categorization of this wide variety, I could put glare on 4 different buttons, and dia on 2 or 3.... that would encompass a "wide variety" of buttons...
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    #FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

  9. #8279
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    Eternity Spellblade
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ramiee View Post
    Yeah healing in XIV is great because you can play RuneScape on the other screen while if you play wow you have to sadly heal people. Well in best case scenarios I go as a healer in expert and get a warrior then I can afk the entire dungeon and play RuneScape for 20 minutes.
    Hyperbole. There's still plenty of deadly mechanics and I've yet to have a perfect run, plus most tanks are still pulling everything and that's generally at least a solid minute of spiking damage before enough adds die for you to relax.
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  10. #8280
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    Supersnow845's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Drkdays View Post
    Hyperbole. There's still plenty of deadly mechanics and I've yet to have a perfect run, plus most tanks are still pulling everything and that's generally at least a solid minute of spiking damage before enough adds die for you to relax.
    Extra mobs just makes the tanks healing scale harder

    At this point you as a healer are only trying to stay alive as a favour for the DPS, the tank certainly doesn’t need you and if the tank was halfway competent they don’t even need you to keep the DPS alive at this point
    (9)
    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess

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