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  1. #8171
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    Rein_eon_Osborne's Avatar
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    Mira Clearweaver
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    Jenova
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    Conjurer Lv 90
    There's a reason why some folks had been wanting to get whoever designs the PvP healer into PvE space - or at the very least bring that "Balance all job reasonably to not break the game"-mindset over instead of adopting the current one that is "Let's achieve that perfect balance."
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  2. #8172
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    Rolder50's Avatar
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    Alarasong Elaha
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    Siren
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    White Mage Lv 91
    Quote Originally Posted by Azurarok View Post
    As far as what I've been told Addersting's not allowed to be higher potency because players'll then have to stock up on them for raid buffs, which will make the job "too busy".
    I think that'd add a nice layer of complexity for the job but having to manage resources for dps is not something a healer should be doing apparently.
    Oh how I wish we could just axe raid buffs entirely and then allow the jobs to have more interesting designs instead
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  3. #8173
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    Aravell's Avatar
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    J'thaldi Rhid
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    Mateus
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    Machinist Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Rolder50 View Post
    Oh how I wish we could just axe raid buffs entirely and then allow the jobs to have more interesting designs instead
    I think axing raid buffs in the current design of the game would do more harm than good.

    Tanks already completely ignore healers, if there's no raid buffs, the DPS can ignore the party too. Who cares if that DRG dies? He doesn't have Litany anymore, there's no need to realign.

    It would turn the game even more into a solo experience with other people. You'd end up just playing near other players, not playing with them.
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  4. #8174
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    Rolder50's Avatar
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    Alarasong Elaha
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    Siren
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    White Mage Lv 91
    Quote Originally Posted by Aravell View Post
    I think axing raid buffs in the current design of the game would do more harm than good.

    Tanks already completely ignore healers, if there's no raid buffs, the DPS can ignore the party too. Who cares if that DRG dies? He doesn't have Litany anymore, there's no need to realign.

    It would turn the game even more into a solo experience with other people. You'd end up just playing near other players, not playing with them.
    I mean, that’s already the case as it is now. Buffs naturally align at the two minute mark so you just do your rotation and it’s fine. Long gone are the days of buffs having unusual cooldowns of timers.
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  5. #8175
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    Ramiee's Avatar
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    Grainne Gothram
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    Cerberus
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    Black Mage Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by Azurarok View Post
    As far as what I've been told Addersting's not allowed to be higher potency because players'll then have to stock up on them for raid buffs, which will make the job "too busy".
    I think that'd add a nice layer of complexity for the job but having to manage resources for dps is not something a healer should be doing apparently.
    By players you mean JP.
    They don't want anything like a DPS system for healers in this game at least those who talk on the forum. Even for the healer who is meant to be the DPS healer a system like this can't exist, CBU3 are catering to the people who are killing the role.
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  6. #8176
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    Jokerz_93's Avatar
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    Tora Noyama
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    Phoenix
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    Lancer Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Retsu90 View Post
    How would that make any sense, when my point was that the jobs are generally balanced well?
    In fact, every patch we have an update on this job, on that one.
    Clearly well balanced indeed
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  7. #8177
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    Azurarok's Avatar
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    Medim Azurarok
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    Siren
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    Machinist Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Ramiee View Post
    By players you mean JP.
    They don't want anything like a DPS system for healers in this game at least those who talk on the forum. Even for the healer who is meant to be the DPS healer a system like this can't exist, CBU3 are catering to the people who are killing the role.
    I happen to see posts on those boards lately about people having to leave to other jobs/roles since all the simplifications they've been making have made them no longer enjoyable, so I kind of think it tends to be the folks who frequent the forum and not even JP as a whole.
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    Last edited by Azurarok; 08-08-2024 at 12:10 AM.

  8. #8178
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    Lorika's Avatar
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    Kaeline Artelus
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    Phantom
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    Gunbreaker Lv 74
    Quote Originally Posted by Ramiee View Post
    By players you mean JP.
    They don't want anything like a DPS system for healers in this game at least those who talk on the forum. Even for the healer who is meant to be the DPS healer a system like this can't exist, CBU3 are catering to the people who are killing the role.
    Healer never had DPS system to begin with.
    WHM had Aqua, true, but it was a low damage skill with a slow on it.
    Scholar was sharing quite a Number of DoT with the Old SMN.... it's true, but that's all.

    Except for that, what we really lost was support (my Stone Skin )
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    Last edited by Lorika; 08-08-2024 at 12:30 AM.

  9. #8179
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    Silver-Strider's Avatar
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    Silver Strider
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    Famfrit
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    White Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Lorika View Post
    Healer never had DPS system to begin with.
    WHM had Aqua, true, but it was a low damage skill with a slow on it.
    Scholar was sharing quite a Number of DoT with the Old SMN.... it's true, but that's all.

    Except for that, what we really lost was support (my Stone Skin )
    Fluid Aura had the same potency as Stone 2 at the time, on a 20s CD and had a Knockback effect. Also Aero 1 and 2 were also separate buttons that stacked. HW removed the damage from Fluid Aura but we got Assize to replace it and Aero 3 was added as well.
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  10. #8180
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    Lorika's Avatar
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    Kaeline Artelus
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    Phantom
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    Gunbreaker Lv 74
    Quote Originally Posted by Silver-Strider View Post
    Fluid Aura had the same potency as Stone 2 at the time, on a 20s CD and had a Knockback effect. Also Aero 1 and 2 were also separate buttons that stacked. HW removed the damage from Fluid Aura but we got Assize to replace it and Aero 3 was added as well.
    I really have the impression we had far less.... Memory is not was it used to be XD
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