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  1. #8141
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    Retsu90's Avatar
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    Elina Serat
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    Seraph
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    Goldsmith Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Silver-Strider View Post
    Maybe a bad one that never uses their melee combo lol
    I'm popping off Triple Resolutions as my opener at about every boss.
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  2. #8142
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    Talianore's Avatar
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    Marvati Khatshri
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    Jenova
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    Arcanist Lv 100
    Thank you for bumping the thread - it's much appreciated!
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  3. #8143
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    Azurarok's Avatar
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    Medim Azurarok
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    Siren
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    Machinist Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Retsu90 View Post
    I'm popping off Triple Resolutions as my opener at about every boss.
    You mean using Manafication and doing the melee combo all the way through Resolution in the opener.

    If you do indeed use the melee combo and utilize doublecasting and the backflip/gapcloser I'm not sure how you find them still the same as BLM SMN PCT, unless you mean just the core concept of "being forced to be stationary with casting and managing mobility resources" being shared across the role (which even that's barely done by SMN now).
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  4. #8144
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    Lorika's Avatar
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    Kaeline Artelus
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    Phantom
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    Gunbreaker Lv 74
    Quote Originally Posted by Retsu90 View Post
    I'm popping off Triple Resolutions as my opener at about every boss.
    You shouldn't.
    Quote Originally Posted by Azurarok View Post
    You mean using Manafication and doing the melee combo all the way through Resolution in the opener.
    It's mean that the gauge was overcapped before the boss fight.
    It's mean she wasn't using any Melee combo during trash mobs pull... Which is bad and gimping the overall DPS output of the team.
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    Last edited by Lorika; 08-07-2024 at 12:09 AM.

  5. #8145
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    Rein_eon_Osborne's Avatar
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    Mira Clearweaver
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    Jenova
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    Conjurer Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Retsu90 View Post
    -And? Healers can solo MP content. I've done it as WHM. Should healers lose their DPS capabilities?
    What's "MP Content"?

    That's you. Picto players aren't complaining about Picto rotations. Even more braindead rotations than Viper.
    ??? A "melee SMN" is deemed more brainpower exhaustive than a Picto?

    Maybe if you have 2 healers for Savage content. But even a WHM's MedicaII + Regen is rarely going to scratch even a fifth of a tank's HP. The average Tank pulls trash mobs and is down to 20% within the first 5 seconds.
    Reading this, you're either exaggerating or the tank in question has a paper gear on them.

    I have. I solo better as a WHM than WAR. I have a reason for believing what I believe. Role tribalism is ridiculous to me. That's why I roulette as a Healer mainly to spite these simpletons.
    The game literally marketed to be a trinity role game. It's totally valid for people to request for said trinity aspect to be adhered more properly. Thinking that very aspect ridiculous in a trinity role game is even odder. You do you. Although something doesn't seem to add up quite well there.

    EDIT:
    Quote Originally Posted by Silver-Strider View Post
    Saying this as a RDM is wild. Casters are probably the 1 role that play very differently from one another.
    Quote Originally Posted by Retsu90 View Post
    How? The only difference is positionals.
    Actually yea, nvm lol. Carry on. Thanks for the bump tho :P
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  6. #8146
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    LyraShu's Avatar
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    Lyra Shuu
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    Midgardsormr
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    Sage Lv 100
    And? Healers can solo MP content. I've done it as WHM. Should healers lose their DPS capabilities?
    U...uhh? I think you just took what I said and took a left turn with it. I didn't question your abilities, though the fact that you are defending yourself when I haven't said anything is now out there, I did say that I think that a party shouldn't be able to fully and reliably heal up after every mechanic without a healer.

    That's you. Picto players aren't complaining about Picto rotations. Even more braindead rotations than Viper.
    T..that's me? I mean, if I did have to replace parts I would have claimed that. I'm sure with a little google search you could find the same kind of postings. And I actually quite like the VPR and PCT for the combos and variation in abilities respectfully. Now take the entire of VPR combos and put it into 2 buttons with a 3rd that refreshes every 60 seconds and you are getting closer to current healer gameplay.

    Bottom line, they heal. There's variation with how everyone plays their roles, but that has nothing to do with the Job itself.
    That's like saying a NIN playing like a SMN bc they are DPS :/ Yes, both jobs are a healer and I do agree that they are taking away individuality in jobs, but I don't think that you can oversimplify it to this point.

    Maybe if you have 2 healers for Savage content. But even a WHM's MedicaII + Regen is rarely going to scratch even a fifth of a tank's HP. The average Tank pulls trash mobs and is down to 20% within the first 5 seconds.
    . . .What are you trying to say here? I had said that there is strong self-sustain and that I am told not to heal the people with that sustain, are you saying that I should join Savage content so I can actually heal? Interesting

    I have. I solo better as a WHM than WAR. I have a reason for believing what I believe. Role tribalism is ridiculous to me. That's why I roulette as a Healer mainly to spite these simpletons.
    I am sorry but I am calling this out a bit. You won't be able to run synced content solo as a WHM, but you can find videos of a warrior doing that. Hell, there is a forum right now about tanks holding trials hostage synced because they refuse to die.
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  7. #8147
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    Connor's Avatar
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    Connor Whelan
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    Odin
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    Bard Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Lorika View Post
    You shouldn't.

    It's mean that the gauge was overcapped before the boss fight.
    It's mean she wasn't using any Melee combo during trash mobs pull... Which is bad and gimping the overall DPS output of the team.
    I was genuinely that meme of the woman surrounded by mathematical formula, trying to work if there was some secret mana maths I hadn’t noticed that let you do a third Resolution somehow.

    …but yeah, not using Moulinet on trash would do it lol
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  8. #8148
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    Azurarok's Avatar
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    Medim Azurarok
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    Siren
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    Machinist Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Lorika View Post
    It's mean that the gauge was overcapped before the boss fight.
    It's mean she wasn't using any Melee combo during trash mobs pull... Which is bad and gimping the overall DPS output of the team.
    Ah right. Well you can pull that off without overcapping on mana if you start the boss with like 84|62 or 73|73 mana now.
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  9. #8149
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    Lorika's Avatar
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    Kaeline Artelus
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    Phantom
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    Gunbreaker Lv 74
    Quote Originally Posted by Azurarok View Post
    Ah right. Well you can pull that off without overcapping on mana if you start the boss with like 84|62 or 73|73 mana now.
    That's doesn't add up
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  10. #8150
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    Azurarok's Avatar
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    Medim Azurarok
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    Siren
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    Machinist Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Lorika View Post
    That's doesn't add up
    Not that it's really something to aim for, but Scorch and Resolution each add 4|4 mana, then VerHoly/Flare adds 11 to one type of mana. With two sword combos, one from Manafication, you gain a total of 16|38 or 27|27 mana, so if you start with either 84|62 or 73|73 mana you'll have 50|50 mana at the end of the second Resolution for a third sword combo.
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