#FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

[Dhregin]

Stopping you there. That is cheating and cheesing.

It's the never ending argument on this forum between people who want to play the game the way it was intended, and the people who play the cat and mouse game of "am I going to get caught cheating the new raid."
https://www.polygon.com/23581166/fin...-party-plug-in

This has happened every single time. If you got a bunch of people who want to cheese the fight by only permissible means, that is one thing. But the minute you need a third party tool, you're no longer playing the game as it was intended and defying the wishes of the developers.

If you want to play a healer. You are only required to heal. Nobody anything says is correct no matter how much they insist. That sure is a boring way to play, but you're not obligated to play by any nonsense meta that has never been true.

I'm going to do my best not to appear rude here, but I think your moral/emotional arguement is being pushed up agains ForsakenRoe's Logical arguement. Its not a "meta" requirement, they're referencing, its a DPS-CHECK requirement.

The DPS Checks in this game are mostly lenient where, yes, a Healer could succeeed without doing DPS - but at the Savage level (on Content & no echo) and at the Ultimate Level (at any time), you can't meet the DPS check before Enrage if Healers are just healing. They are correct in that it is mathmatically impossible to achieve without each member of the group contributing damage - including healers. You can call it cheating to know that it is mathmaticallly impossible (or close to it, depending on the case), but that is generally well-accepted knowledge by the average player who actively participates in the raiding content this game offers - even those who swear off of all add-ons.

Your lack of experience in the game is why you are championing the cause of Healers only need to heal. The Developers shifted the DPS requirements of content to require support players to also focus on damage back prior to Heavensward (Time line might be a little wrong, its been 10 years so cut me some slack), because of Player Demand - and it has been that way ever since. This bred the well known meme, healers are Green DPS. Tanks are Blue DPS.

Lets not get uppity and big-ego'd because we disagree emotionally with something. Base your rebuttals on something more substantial than "This is my belief" for a more constructive and objective-based discussion.

Othewise, you're just shouting into the void for no discernable reason other than to be upset with other people... and that's just obnoxious I'm sure you agree! I've done it plenty of times. I'm a very obnoxious person.

Anyway, o7

[Kes13a]

If you want to play a healer. You are only required to heal. Nobody anything says is correct no matter how much they insist. That sure is a boring way to play, but you're not obligated to play by any nonsense meta that has never been true.

sure, thats all well and good, and tanks should only tank and not heal others and dps should only dps and not heal others... and then Dawntrail comes along and you can tank AND dps and aoe heal

I would love it if there was just healing that healers had to do, but... there isnt. and after the shine comes off dawntrail, the actual healing goes down and down even in normal content unless you are running with people that simply are bad at playing.

so. you might want to play the same game as the rest of us since you have been here so long. if there is nothing to heal, what are you going to do? your nails while waiting? no, you'll 2111 like the rest of us and.. big shocker.. ITS NOT CHEESE, or CHEATING... its trying to stay awake.

[Chajii]

Yoshi-P have said on stream that healers should deal damage when no heal is needed because they don't want other roles see healers just standing around not contributing during those periods.

[Isala]

sure, thats all well and good, and tanks should only tank and not heal others and dps should only dps and not heal others... and then Dawntrail comes along and you can tank AND dps and aoe heal

I would love it if there was just healing that healers had to do, but... there isnt. and after the shine comes off dawntrail, the actual healing goes down and down even in normal content unless you are running with people that simply are bad at playing.

so. you might want to play the same game as the rest of us since you have been here so long. if there is nothing to heal, what are you going to do? your nails while waiting? no, you'll 2111 like the rest of us and.. big shocker.. ITS NOT CHEESE, or CHEATING... its trying to stay awake.

Imagine holding onto statements from years ago, that they have actually spoken out against more recently, where they talked about the "simpler" healer rotations are for healers to DPS, and that people who refused to can be kicked for, in their own words, "Lethargic Play."

[EponaTBHSMH]

You guys, I have no idea where the healer strike is going with this big thread, but the KiraiTenshi person is definitely a troll, spending keyboard energy to reply to them is most likely a waste of time

[Aword3213]

Stopping you there. That is cheating and cheesing.

Assize deals damage, Earthly Star deals damage, Macrocosmos deals damage, Pnuema deals damage. Not only do they function as heals, these buttons are painstaking designed by our beloved Square Enix developer.

If you press them, you're cheating.

If you don't press them, you're not playing as what the dev team intended.

Does the contradiction not bother you?

If healer dealing damage is considered cheating and chessing, what do you say to tanks & DPS getting all those heal buttons?

[Somnolence]

Its not a "meta" requirement, they're referencing, its a DPS-CHECK requirement.

Don't tell him that devs even made so you can verify DPS-CHECK requirements for such content on Stone, Sky, Sea dummies for healer roles as well

[Kacho_Nacho]

You guys, I have no idea where the healer strike is going with this big thread, but the KiraiTenshi person is definitely a troll, spending keyboard energy to reply to them is most likely a waste of time

Well, when you have so many participants in an unmoderated thread, you're going to get a lot of different opinions, not all of them in good faith. /shrug

[SigmarrIrenesch]

Wanting healers to be better is all fine and dandy, I started as a WHM and would love to see a more complex version of it someday, but can grumpy strikers please stop queueing as healers and making everything that much worse for everyone? I've wanted to get back into tanking, but it feels like 90% of the time I get a healer who is so fed up with the game and has decided to make it everyone else's problem.

Dear SGE, yes, I am a WAR, but this is the Sunken Temple of Qarn. I don't have the insane self-sustain at this level. Why is the Kardia on you? Stop spamming Eukrasian Prognosis on the DRG, I am literally dying to single pack pulls here, you absolute cretin. Also I saw you using your entire kit to keep yourself alive when I ate shit and died. I am going to scream. Just a crumb of healing I am begging you.

Also, what is this current trend of SCHs not having their fairy out? Does anyone have Esuna on their hotbar? Why are you suddenly wanting to tank as AST? What is the meaning of life? Why do I even exist?

[Galvuu]

Don't tell him that devs even made so you can verify DPS-CHECK requirements for such content on Stone, Sky, Sea dummies for healer roles as well

That person queuing into SSS as a healer, proceeding to stare down the dummy, do 0 dps, shout "cheating" as the Duty Failed message appears would make for top tier content, tbh.