#FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

[Supersnow845]

Do people see the issue I was trying to point out a few pages ago

Using them as examples sindri said that it’s always good to take feedback on board from multiple different sources and to channel ideas about changing multiple things while striker has said that since we don’t all ask for the same thing the strike is unfocused and directionless and then dimenital is basically just saying put up and shut up

This is the problem with the whole “the strike has an image problem” idea people keep bringing up. The people who oppose the strike don’t even have a unified idea on what the strike is doing wrong or what it should be either. Some are saying “you are striking for the wrong thing” others are saying striking is a stupid concept in general, some think the answer is still calmly talking problems out with nice words on the healer forums

Honestly if people are going to complain that the strike has bad optics or that we are doing it wrong can you at least make up your minds on how we are doing it wrong

[Zaytex]

For those who are wondering about how healing feels to play in the latest high-end content. I've now progged and cleared EX1 as WHM and I can say for certain the core issues with the role remain the same (wow, who would've guessed?)

Progging is extremely fun, managing your cooldowns, triage healing and figuring out where you need to put your resources whilst maximising your damage and figuring out the sweet spot of how much you can get away with - all very enjoyable.

However.. as soon the prog is over, this role is fucking miserable. I am on my 5th reclear of EX1 as WHM and I am already bored. I've already figured out how the healing needs to be done, so there is nothing left for me to do now. Just 1111121111 mindlessly and nothing else.

This is what healer is now, it's just a prog job/role. You play it for prog, and then switch off it immediately. In ShB/EW I at least had AST which offered more to optimise and figure out due to the card system and how its healing is genuinely more nuanced than any other healer... but they reworked it, so I don't even have that anymore.

This is it folks, this role is unplayable to any non-lobotomized player in casual or re-clears, just play it for prog, and move on.

[Teno]

I think that's part of where the issue is. There is no common goal here. You have some people claiming the strike is to convince the dev team to make changes to the game, and others just as adamantly claiming it's not about making changes at all. And even among the ones that want changes, there's no agreement on what that should be. One group wants there to be more to heal via more damage output by enemies, another group wants it by reducing healing/self-sustain by other roles, and yet others aren't talking about healing at all but want full DPS rotations on healers. Without a common goal, it just devolves into a classic case of "no matter what you do, you can't please everyone."

Dude stop please, you're just skipping years of discussion, or rather, you just don't know yet do as if. Options to please all sides have already been discussed and proposed countless times over the last few years. There's no such distinction as 3 groups, or rather, only JP advocates for full healing. And if people ever wanted full healing/adjusted encounters, it was back during ARR/HW when it was fresh. Then it became evident that FFXIV was just not the game for that, and it's not built like that either.

Besides, you missed the mark entirely. People don't want "full dps rotations", they want more offensive options and alternatives. Sage like in pvp, scholar like what existed just a few years ago (which is nothing crazy to begin with).

[Galvuu]

Today, my wife and I were farming ex1 and, since I'm on that Picto hype, she was filling as SCH (EU pf has a tremendous healer shortage, I wonder why).
Seven runs in, she hits me with this gem:
"Can we stop for a while? My Broil finger is starting to hurt really bad."
And I just had to chuckle, as this tank main filling as SCH, with this off-handed comment, literally embodied the whole issue with healer gameplay inadvertently.

[Striker44]

I hope you realise it's possible to adjust mob damage, healer abilities and other roles' abilities independently from one another or at the same time. Each are a part of the goals listed in the manifesto. Can you read five bullet points or does it need to be condensed further for you?

My point is the people actually participating in and supporting the strike don't even seem to know what's in the "manifesto". I've spent a fair deal of posts on here having to point out to people pushing the strike what their own "manifesto" even says, only to be told straight up by them that I'm wrong. And yes, it's possible to do the things mentioned above independently or in various combinations - that's also not at all what we're talking about here. We're pointing out how when a bunch of different people have wildly different opinions about what they want to be "changed" (with others loudly proclaiming the strike isn't even about pushing any changes at all), you create a disorganized mess of a "movement" that ends up going nowhere. When the "manifesto" says to change x, y, and z, but then Supporter A says they only want x to be changed, Supporter B says they want x and y but not z, Supporter C says they want only z to change, and Supporter D says they're not happy right now but aren't looking to see x, y, OR z...how do you expect anything productive to come out of that?

But thank you for the condescension and belittling in your last sentence. It shows perfectly why the strike supporters are having bad "optics" (Hint: It's not "optics" - it's revealing the kind of people that are pushing it.)

Dude stop please, you're just skipping years of discussion, or rather, you just don't know yet do as if.

I'm not skipping years of anything. You quoted my post. Please read the quote in that very post that it was a direct response to. A supporter of the strike was belittling someone else by "explaining what a strike is"; I just showed why this thing going on fails spectacularly by the very definition that poster provided.

[KageTokage]

It's too easy to optimize healers compared to the other jobs when the "difficulty" comes strictly from learning the timings for CDs to cover incoming damage as efficiently as possible.

The damage in the new EXs does feel a bit higher then usual but...it's still not enough to stress the current healing kits. Will savage change that? We can only hope.

[Supersnow845]

My point is the people actually participating in and supporting the strike don't even seem to know what's in the "manifesto". I've spent a fair deal of posts on here having to point out to people pushing the strike what their own "manifesto" even says, only to be told straight up by them that I'm wrong. And yes, it's possible to do the things mentioned above independently or in various combinations - that's also not at all what we're talking about here. We're pointing out how when a bunch of different people have wildly different opinions about what they want to be "changed" (with others loudly proclaiming the strike isn't even about pushing any changes at all), you create a disorganized mess of a "movement" that ends up going nowhere. When the "manifesto" says to change x, y, and z, but then Supporter A says they only want x to be changed, Supporter B says they want x and y but not z, Supporter C says they want only z to change, and Supporter D says they're not happy right now but aren't looking to see x, y, OR z...how do you expect anything productive to come out of that?

But thank you for the condescension and belittling in your last sentence. It shows perfectly why the strike supporters are having bad "optics" (Hint: It's not "optics" - it's revealing the kind of people that are pushing it.)



I'm not skipping years of anything. You quoted my post. Please read the quote in that very post that it was a direct response to. A supporter of the strike was belittling someone else by "explaining what a strike is"; I just showed why this thing going on fails spectacularly by the very definition that poster provided.

And as I pointed out the strike opposers also can’t agree on what we are doing wrong

You are saying that we are disorganised because different people are pursuing different avenues of improvement but then there is other people that are saying “taking from many avenues is good your singular focus on x is the current problem, you can’t see outside of your bubble”

[Evergrey]

It's too easy to optimize healers compared to the other jobs when the "difficulty" comes strictly from learning the timings for CDs to cover incoming damage as efficiently as possible.

The damage in the new EXs does feel a bit higher then usual but...it's still not enough to stress the current healing kits. Will savage change that? We can only hope.

Maybe savage will.
But then the problem still stands for the majority who don't do Savage and people are back to the argument regarding Savage vs Casual players.

[OdinelStarrei]

It's too easy to optimize healers compared to the other jobs when the "difficulty" comes strictly from learning the timings for CDs to cover incoming damage as efficiently as possible.

The damage in the new EXs does feel a bit higher then usual but...it's still not enough to stress the current healing kits. Will savage change that? We can only hope.

It's unlikely. Thought the changes to encounter design were not going to be fully implemented until 7.2?

Regardless, the core issue remains clear.

For those who are wondering about how healing feels to play in the latest high-end content. I've now progged and cleared EX1 as WHM and I can say for certain the core issues with the role remain the same (wow, who would've guessed?)

Progging is extremely fun, managing your cooldowns, triage healing and figuring out where you need to put your resources whilst maximising your damage and figuring out the sweet spot of how much you can get away with - all very enjoyable.

However.. as soon the prog is over, this role is fucking miserable. I am on my 5th reclear of EX1 as WHM and I am already bored. I've already figured out how the healing needs to be done, so there is nothing left for me to do now. Just 1111121111 mindlessly and nothing else.

This is what healer is now, it's just a prog job/role. You play it for prog, and then switch off it immediately. In ShB/EW I at least had AST which offered more to optimise and figure out due to the card system and how its healing is genuinely more nuanced than any other healer... but they reworked it, so I don't even have that anymore.

This is it folks, this role is unplayable to any non-lobotomized player in casual or re-clears, just play it for prog, and move on.

To be a support, is to accept that the game is not going to be fun long-term, or your enjoyment is highly dependent on external factors.

You made the mistake of playing the jobs that are not fun inherently. And until that fundamental issue is tackled, everything else is just bandaids, lip service, or outright lies. As we get more and more gear, we'll slide right back into where we were before.

And for those non-savage, non-EX folk, they still should have a fun job to play. Not that it's much better on the EX end to be honest, I had to wait 30 mins or even longer for healers to fill my EX learning groups this last weekend. And when I drop down to dungeons, I've had longer than usual queue times on tanks (only have GNB to level now), and probably some of the worst healers I've ever seen in this game since I started in HW. Good thing I'm playing tank and can drag them through, or if not, I can just leave for the next tank to get frustrated at the sound of Cure I spam while I do literally anything else.

[Aravell]

I wonder why healers could be gutted down without full consensus going into ShB but we somehow need EVERYONE to agree on a direction in order to go anywhere from here.

Who even asked for this? I know quite a few of us didnt, and if EVERYONE should be taken into account when a change happens, then the ShB change has failed to do so and it should be reverted.