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  1. #1
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    Aravell's Avatar
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    J'thaldi Rhid
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    The best way to make regular content engaging without unduly stressing out less experienced players still is to distribute engagement between the job that content is experienced through and the content that's being experienced.

    If they make all the engagement come from jobs, we'd probably end up with very busy jobs and some people wouldn't keep up. If they make all engagement come from the fights, we get the problem that casual MSQ content absolutely cannot be hard past a certain amount, so it just ends with people being segregated into content that suits them.

    A healthy mix of engagement between the job we play as and the content we interact with would be the best mixture that we could get.

    The faster the dev team realises this, the better.
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    Rydia Misuto
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    I'm done with pressing 1 seven times between dot casts. I mained Scholar in ARR and Astro in HW and SB, and I haven't felt like there has been a healer class with meaningful mechanics or any kind of diversity at all since Shadowbringers' launch.

    I can use the exact same hotbar layout for all four healer jobs, with the only 'variation' coming because sage merges some buttons into a 'toggle' action. They still do the same thing, in the same way, at pretty much the same timings.

    If we have to have a basic healing job that presses 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 and has a bunch of different healbombs and can be played half-asleep while on the phone watching netflix and cooking breakfast, then fine, but why is EVERY SINGLE HEALER that simple? The entire role is a sham, and has been for five years straight.

    Saying #FFXIVHealerStrike is just me carrying on with what I've been doing since halfway through Shadowbringers, when it became incredibly apparent the goal was to make healing impossible to fail at, require no attention and have no variety or depth at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rydia_Misuto View Post
    I'm done with pressing 1 seven times between dot casts. I mained Scholar in ARR and Astro in HW and SB, and I haven't felt like there has been a healer class with meaningful mechanics or any kind of diversity at all since Shadowbringers' launch.
    Preach

    But also just so people understand how truly dire the situation is, I gotta correct you, it's 'press 1 ELEVEN times between DOT casts'.
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    Last edited by ForsakenRoe; 07-27-2024 at 04:38 PM.

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    Mira Clearweaver
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    Quote Originally Posted by ForsakenRoe View Post
    Preach

    But also just so people understand how truly dire the situation is, I gotta correct you, it's 'press 1 ELEVEN times between DOT casts'.
    1 2 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 2 1 1 - :snore:
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    "Outside obvious jokes/sarcasm, I aim to convey my words to the future readers who may come across mine posts. Can I change -your- mind, somehow? Potentially... but that's not why I'm writing. You and I have wrote our piece(s). We don't necessarily need to change each other's mind. But we can change other's."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rein_eon_Osborne View Post
    1 2 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 2 1 1 - :snore:
    You have to weave in Youtube videos between the 1s
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    What is a healthy mix though? Current normal raids are not even hard and people are already having nightmares.

    SE fostered this mindset MSQ and normal mode content cannot have too much of a bite. Going back on that this late will not be a fun or easy task.
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    Okay boomer.

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    Celeste Valeria
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    My sub ran out. I'm wishing everyone who is still playing with another role good luck in Savage next week! There's hope healers are playable in 8.0 again. See you in two years c:
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    Caroline Frost
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    Dawntrail introduced new healer role quests. And what an amazing quests they were:

    "Umm, hey you! Please, cast Esuna on this one... now this one... now these 3 people... and again on this one. Nicely done! Class quest complete! Off with you until 8.0!"


    In those very same quests it was aknowledged that whatever debuffs were afflicting citizens, any adventuring conjurer with Esuna or simple Spine drops/Echo drops/Antidote were sufficient enough to deal with them (thanks by the way for reminding us that they exist, honestly)

    Yep, not a single mention what healer you are, the reach of your powers, and what miracles you can perform.

    It felt like spin-off quests for any healer at low levels merged with Hildibrand for giggles.

    The end quest duty is just... Alright, I will play along and enjoy the comedy relief! You couldn't deliver a story, but at least mechanic wise you will enterain me, right? Right?

    Oh, it is just more Esuna spam and the whole "healing" requirement was rendered by a simple change: the accompanying us NPC didn't had a "mircale potion" in their pouch that heals them for half HP per chug. What, I thought every NPC had one for other solo duites, what the matter with this girl?!

    Wow, just wow...
    No debuff plays with Heavy that you better remove quick or you will not escape AoE in time
    No Slow to remove to keep better DPS
    No Blindness remove so you can keep hitting the enemy
    No Stun or Bind to remove to help yourself escape from Aoe
    No lethal poison-based Doom where you need to heal NPC to full to remove it.
    Hell, even the crappy poison you have to Esuna multiple times in the duty doesn't have dedicated Poison debuff but a generic Bleeding one, lol.

    The villains are total slapsticks, but everyone else are keeping serious faces and pretending like this is serious issue. They are presenting serious problem with poisoning the waterways, but give us a goofy fight with goofy music. If you wanted to deliver me a comedy, than just drop that pretense and go full Hildibrand. At least I can get some laugh from it.

    Can I have some respect for selecting the Healer role to play at level 100, Square?

    Seriously, everyone were clowning at White mage level 50 "Heal the tree" job quest. But, at least, it made me feel important and feel that I am indeed playing a Healer!


    P.S. And this is not the running theme with other role quests. In other stories, at least, the player character was aknowledged in their role and in one way or another presented how they are proficient with it.
    Meanwhile, back to healers... we get fart bombs thrown in our face. Multiple times. And our worst enemies are... mammets... and arcanist girl on drugs. It almost like Square is trying to send us a message about healer class...
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    Etherea Stormaire
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    Zalera
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    Quote Originally Posted by Remember_The_Name View Post
    Dawntrail introduced new healer role quests. And what an amazing quests they were:

    "Umm, hey you! Please, cast Esuna on this one... now this one... now these 3 people... and again on this one. Nicely done! Class quest complete! Off with you until 8.0!"

    *snip*

    P.S. And this is not the running theme with other role quests. In other stories, at least, the player character was aknowledged in their role and in one way or another presented how they are proficient with it.
    Meanwhile, back to healers... we get fart bombs thrown in our face. Multiple times. And our worst enemies are... mammets... and arcanist girl on drugs. It almost like Square is trying to send us a message about healer class...
    yeah, it was hilarious... at level 100... and for all the installments from 90 to 100.... our main spell was a level 10 ability.

    thanks for making healers feel... needed....

    "accessbility"... amirite?
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    #FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

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    Elmind Exilus
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kes13a View Post
    yeah, it was hilarious... at level 100... and for all the installments from 90 to 100.... our main spell was a level 10 ability.

    thanks for making healers feel... needed....
    Ideally, it's foreshadowing that they're planning to once again include more dispellable debuffs as part of fights in the near future? The role quests I've done so far (including the Healer one) seem more focused on story than action, but in the Lvl 100 duty, you're certainly doing a lot more than just casting Esuna...it's just one gimmick in the fight.

    Yep, not a single mention what healer you are, the reach of your powers, and what miracles you can perform.
    Because none of those are necessary. They were just looking for a healer. It doesn't matter what "type" of healer you are, and given how they're from a rather isolated village, it would probably be meaningless to them, anyway.

    Wow, just wow...
    No debuff plays with Heavy...
    So, they started including debuffs, but because they didn't include every possible one under the sun that would require the same response, they're terrible? *sigh*

    The villains are total slapsticks, but everyone else are keeping serious faces and pretending like this is serious issue. They are presenting serious problem with poisoning the waterways, but give us a goofy fight with goofy music. If you wanted to deliver me a comedy, than just drop that pretense and go full Hildibrand. At least I can get some laugh from it.
    The role quests all involve various degrees of humor. As do a variety of quests throughout the entire history FFXIV, not even counting the Hildibrand ones...

    But, at least, it made me feel important and feel that I am indeed playing a Healer!
    As you mentioned, the NPC you work with in the final duty doesn't have a "miracle potion". You're definitely playing a Healer throughout the entirety of that fight.

    Is this actually still going on, I'm having no problems getting DF to pop even as a dps.
    It is. The "strike" people just never accepted that they're so ridiculously small in number compared to the playerbase that this was never going to do anything. Let alone going on "strike" at the start of a new expansion when a ton of people will be returning and just filling the role in their place...
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