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  1. #6471
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    Local_Custard's Avatar
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    Rhel'a Tayuun
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    Sargatanas
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    Culinarian Lv 83
    Quote Originally Posted by Aravell View Post
    Everyone's so trusting of the 8.0 job identity rework, but what exactly does the dev team view as the job identity of all the healers?

    I think that question is an important one that we need the answer to.
    All I can say is the dev team have made changes to how they think healers should be from a dps player perspective. They literally fired a healer for being "too good". I do not trust the 8.0 rework. I will not trust it until they hire healers who have completed a host of content, healers who are casual, and healers who prog ultimates. I do not trust the 8.0 rework until they show good QoL changes for healers in upcoming patches. Until then they will likely continue to mess it up. "go play ultimate" they say as they have no healer on team who has played ultimate. "please give healer a try" as none of them play healer.
    (7)
    I love the men in this game

    I finally return to the game! Current goal: getting all my jobs to 90

  2. #6472
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    Brian25's Avatar
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    Burning Wrath
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    Kraken
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    Samurai Lv 74
    Another day, another day of tanks dominating the adventurer in need. Tanks still have instant queues, meanwhile healers have to wait.

    So much for your strike.

    (2)
    Hates Lalas.

  3. #6473
    Player Mortex's Avatar
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    Rigor Mortex
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    Odin
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    Astrologian Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian25 View Post
    Another day, another day of tanks dominating the adventurer in need. Tanks still have instant queues, meanwhile healers have to wait.

    So much for your strike.

    Did expert as gnb and had to wait 3 mins and 23 seconds. I thought it was instant
    (10)

  4. #6474
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    Rolder50's Avatar
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    Alarasong Elaha
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    Siren
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    White Mage Lv 91
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian25 View Post
    Another day, another day of tanks dominating the adventurer in need. Tanks still have instant queues, meanwhile healers have to wait.

    So much for your strike.
    Meanwhile if you look at Party Finder, almost every single group needs healers. Crazy.

    (13)

  5. #6475
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    SargeTheSeagull's Avatar
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    Rad Calidum
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    Ultros
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    Red Mage Lv 100
    Genuine question I've been pondering for a while now: Were the devs to put most healing tools (with one or two exceptions per job) on the GCD, would that fix the issue?
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  6. #6476
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    Quote Originally Posted by SargeTheSeagull View Post
    Genuine question I've been pondering for a while now: Were the devs to put most healing tools (with one or two exceptions per job) on the GCD, would that fix the issue?
    Sounds like a sidegrade. Like I'm pressing buttons slightly differently and weaving less? Which sounds less busy and more boring.

    Potencies would also need to be adjusted for damage so that DPS checks can still be met that required ogcd healing while DPSing before.

    I'd rather just retool other stuff personally but I'm down to see other people's input on this idea
    (4)
    it/its - 14 accessibility is bad, ease of access is not accessibility, jobs are boring. Transphobia ruins real attempts at criticism and it's whack.

  7. #6477
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    Evergrey's Avatar
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    Limsa Lominsa
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    Rexipher Evergrey
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    Odin
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    Dark Knight Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Rolder50 View Post
    Meanwhile if you look at Party Finder, almost every single group needs healers. Crazy.


    Looks pretty green to me.
    Ofc this is not all, and there were plenty of groups with 0 healers in them.
    But that could be said with groups looking for tanks as well, and there were more that were full on tanks and healers still looking for DPS.
    In short, pretty standard when it comes to PF.
    I wish ppl could stop using DF and PF to try and prove something.
    Just play the game in a way that is fun to you without trying to make a point out of it.
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    Last edited by Evergrey; 07-08-2024 at 05:11 AM.

  8. #6478
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    Connor's Avatar
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    Connor Whelan
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    Odin
    Main Class
    Bard Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by SargeTheSeagull View Post
    Genuine question I've been pondering for a while now: Were the devs to put most healing tools (with one or two exceptions per job) on the GCD, would that fix the issue?
    Honestly it’s a hot take but I’d massively prefer this over what we have now. I want to actually cast healing spells and have to think about what I’m casting, not just slap a single oGCD button that instantly turns all nearby mangled corpses into beautiful pictures of vitality lol.

    Naturally they would never do this for like 59 million different reasons but I personally would like it better than just doing everything through oGCDs while casting dps spells 99% of the fight (being partially hyperbolic lol).
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  9. #6479
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    Rolder50's Avatar
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    Alarasong Elaha
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    Siren
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    White Mage Lv 91
    Quote Originally Posted by Evergrey View Post
    Looks pretty green to me.
    Ofc this is not all, and there were plenty of groups with 0 healers in them.
    But that could be said with groups looking for tanks as well, and there were more that were full on tanks and healers still looking for DPS.
    In short, pretty standard when it comes to PF.
    I wish ppl could stop using DF and PF to try and prove something.
    Just play the game in a way that is fun to you without trying to make a point out of it.
    Seems like it differs by data center. Aether is extremely lacking.
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    Last edited by Rolder50; 07-08-2024 at 06:12 AM.

  10. #6480
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    aiqa's Avatar
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    Eleasaid Seraqa
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    Zodiark
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    White Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by SargeTheSeagull View Post
    Genuine question I've been pondering for a while now: Were the devs to put most healing tools (with one or two exceptions per job) on the GCD, would that fix the issue?
    There are multiple issues with healers. There isn't any 1 thing that will fix the role. GCD heals generally have opportunity costs. If specifically heals from healers are made GCD, that means you're even better off depending on ogcd heals from other roles. That wouldn't fix anything. If you meant moving heals from all roles to GCD, it all depends on the exact implementation. If you meant moving specifically heals from non-healer roles to GCD, that would help restore healer as the goto role for healing. But there would still be the problem of the damage "rotations" using mostly 1 button. And quite big differences in effectiveness of the healing kits between healer job.
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