#FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

[Kes13a]

flattery will get you nowhere. they were doing msq on there healers. including the trails and dungeons most of them were mid-high level with gear from the 97 dungeon

it is allowed to do group content with friends. we are just not joining any roulettes with randoms generally.

does it surprise you that people that play healers have friends that we can group with? of course it does

there are, as someone has said, trusts we can use. while it may not be as "fast and efficient" as you like, healers are rather used to that due to the gameplay of healers.

nice try but not good enough.

[Fuzzout]

I love this thread, it's so spicy, I don't even need a curry xD

I think the problem with this thread is that it's outline is too broad...

Here are a few points I've gathered from the comments there:
1. Some posts here speak of healer rotations in high-end content being too simple, ESPECIALLY in static group scenarios where you know exactly what's coming and its unlikely someone will mess up.
-Me to the above: I agree to a degree. However I believe this can be off-set with fun fight design (TEA and DSR come to mind) - where the execution of the mechanics put the fun into the gameplay.

2. Some posts are from - normal mode enjoyers have outgrown the normal mode content but refuse to acknowledge this and think that normal mode should be balanced around them specifically. All of that while not taking the accountability of actually having to engage with further/more complex content (which exists) under their own terms.
-I have no words on the above, I think I already said my piece.

3. Ultimate raiders who have played for long enough to have their character/job be an extension of themselves (those who know what I mean - know what I mean) - have reached a point where it's simply not engaging enough, they need an Extreme Ultimate mode or something to push them further, or the jobs have to be made more complex.
-Me to the above: This is a rough one because if they make an even more difficult piece of content, the rift between normal and high-end ever-increases and the player skillgap becomes crazy. But that's not for us to worry about, that's for CBU3 to think about.

4. The old content (and some of the early DT content) doesn't give healers enough to do in situations where the party does not mess up.
-Me to the above: And this is by design because if you're not being challenged by this content, then this content is no longer FOR you, it's for Johnny Sproutstorm who started playing a day ago and boosted to 90 to join his friends.

And here's my ultimate point: Despite this "healer strike" being something you're meant to rally behind, people providing ANY point that opposes or even slightly differs from your own - is seemingly ill advised.

Due to the broadness of the outlines of this strike AND the extremely varied skill range of the community involved - this will never get a direct, actionable point across.

So perhaps instead of attacking, shutting down or accusing people of trying to attack you or the cause - extract meaning, ideas and points; then actually create a final post with the distilled essence of what would make your combined lives better.

[aiqa]

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1) If healers use 1 spell 80% of the time, while other classes have a much more varied rotation. You can't "fix" that by changing content.

2) Requesting a role balance such that a full trinity team is optimal for any group content, isn't a weird request for a trinity based game. Also look at your own complaint about dismissing people, you're doing exactly that: if you complain about casual content you are to good so you shouldn't complain. So basically any complaints about casual content are invalid by default.

4) That isn't a reason to dilute the healer role, by adding more healing and support onto the tank role every expansion.

And not being able to provide 1 actionable point just shows how messed up the role is. There are complaints from all sorts of players, about all sorts of things.

[sindriiisgaming]

1. Queues in Endwalker were below 5 minutes for me for most of Endwalker. Can't speak for launch, definitely not this long.

2. New content doesn't excuse zero knowledge of their basic abilities. No Kardia, no shield Sages, Freecure fishing, Medica II spamming, not using rez. Lots of Glare mages around, too.

a healing job realised in end walker. not 2 dps that everyone is playing

Anacdotal reports about the number of healers you see, have nothing to do with the healer strike. Did you survey them if they are happy with the role? If they read about the healer strike. What they thought about the points in the manifesto. Etc.

It's just bad faith prodding, trying to invalidate the complaints about healers with nonsense.

that is why this strike is pointless. you continue to play the job you claim you hate. you continue to que as it, get achievements on it. do high end content on it. your not sending yoshi p any message other than "i will still play this job"

[Hellebore_Ghrian]

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The point is, most a us are gladly open to debate. But that means coming with constructive and valid argument.

But, most of the detractors are coming with a random dismissive thought dropped without reading a thing and are like :
- just unsub
- trollolol I've seen 50 healers in the wild, I didn't talk to them but where are you strikers?
- only minorities are using the forum, I came and used this same forum especially to tell you that the majority I represent doesn't use it.
- play other jobs
- you're too casual, do savage to have a voice
- you're too experienced because you have done savage to have a voice

And so on...

So we reply in the same manner, mostly to keep the thread on the 1st page, like those people do.

[Isala]

The point is, most a us are gladly open to debate. But that means coming with constructive and valid argument.

But, most of the detractors are coming with a random dismissive thought dropped without reading a thing and are like :
- just unsub
- trollolol I've seen 50 healers in the wild, I didn't talk to them but where are you strikers?
- only minorities are using the forum, I came and used this same forum especially to tell you that the majority I represent doesn't use it.
- play other jobs
- you're too casual, do savage to have a voice
- you're too experienced because you have done savage to have a voice

And so on...

So we reply in the same manner, mostly to keep the thread on the 1st page, like those people do.

It's funny, of all the things in this game, it's healers being dog water that actually unites both the Hardcore and the Casual. Both sides agree that the way healers are designed is an actual tragedy, and that the Jobs are literally being designed for players that have even less skill than the most casual of players.

[Fuzzout]

It's funny, of all the things in this game, it's healers being dog water that actually unites both the Hardcore and the Casual. Both sides agree that the way healers are designed is an actual tragedy, and that the Jobs are literally being designed for players that have even less skill than the most casual of players.

I agree, I have less skill than most casual players; I'll see you in Savage then. o/

- I agree a more involved rotation should be added, HOWEVER - it CANNOT be on par with DPS, not even slightly. It also cannot be on par with tanks due to the nature of healers as a whole. As a DPS you have your eyes glued to cooldowns and job gauge (until you drill the fight into your system and your GCD's are basically set in stone for the entire fight) - this doesn't work with healers as there's damage variance, mistakes and general inconsistency when doing content in DF/PF setting.

So I'd say something akin to a tank-like rotation (without more button bloat, please and thank.)

[aiqa]

that is why this strike is pointless. you continue to play the job you claim you hate. you continue to que as it, get achievements on it. do high end content on it. your not sending yoshi p any message other than "i will still play this job"

The intent of the strike is to get attention for the complaints healers have had for years. It already worked. There is 0 chance the devs are unaware of the strike.
And it's a cause to rally behind for people who do agree with the strike.
We have no further influence on what the devs will do. And that is fine.
We have no way or intent to force other players to stop playing a role they still enjoy. And that is fine.

And I am very sure that people giving feedback about healers aren't trying to adhere to your opinions about when it's worth giving feedback, or how they should give that feedback. You (and other people trying do to the same) are a useful vehicle to keep the thread visible, but that is about all you are to me.

[Hellebore_Ghrian]

I agree a more involved rotation should be added, HOWEVER - it CANNOT be on par with DPS, not even slightly. It also cannot be on par with tanks due to the nature of healers as a whole.

I don't think anyone here has asked for a dps/tank like rotation.

Some of ppl here talked about tank like complexity, but not rotation.

Especially GCD rotation in fact is mainly rejected.

But you can do something with more shorter dots, procs, skill with cd being reduced by using some other skills and so on without having an actual rigid rotation.

What almost all ppl talking about healers dps side are more like : "There's room between 1111111111112111111111112 and BLM/monk whatever other roles play style."

[Fuzzout]

I don't think anyone here has asked for a dps/tank like rotation.

Some of ppl here talked about tank like complexity, but not rotation.

Especially GCD rotation in fact is mainly rejected.

But you can do something with more shorter dots, procs, skill with cd being reduced by using some other skills and so on without having an actual rigid rotation.

What almost all ppl talking about healers dps side are more like : "There's room between 1111111111112111111111112 and BLM/monk whatever other roles play style."

Ah yes, sorry!!! - this is what I meant! I just call everything a "rotation", if its a button I press (regardless of its function) its part of the "rotation"

like my 3rd oGCD being food because I'm a potato who forgot to do that pre-pull.

The new oGCD everyone seems to have got is a start but its definitely and not nearly enough to make it varied. I think the core designers of the PVP bars should be involved in giving the support rotation a glow-up. Whoever was responsible for the pvp skills knocked it out of the park.