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  1. #5981
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    Hellebore_Ghrian's Avatar
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    Hellebore Ghrian
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    Louisoix
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    Black Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Auteur View Post
    Let my game be a film, I don't want to push buttons.
    How about... em... no ?
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  2. #5982
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    Tunda's Avatar
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    Tunda King
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    Ragnarok
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    Black Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Ramiee View Post
    Honestly has any Job improved this expansion?
    There really doesn't seem to be any old jobs that got better all I see is complaints by other players.
    Viper and picto and some other dps job got improvement.

    Healers and tanks suffer
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  3. #5983
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    Grainne Gothram
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    Cerberus
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    Black Mage Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by Tunda View Post
    Viper and picto and some other dps job got improvement.

    Healers and tanks suffer
    Uhm not really BLM is objectively worse now. I heard SAM has had some major issues in non-boss encounters and my friend told me Machinist feels worse too.
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  4. #5984
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    CaptainLagbeard's Avatar
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    Rhaya Jakkya
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    Odin
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    White Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Ayalu View Post
    I will also add once more that a Class can be easy but not boring. But Yoshida already confessed they overdid it with the simplification. We can hope that the strike rises awareness enough that when the change happens it will make everyone happy.
    I still think the best way for the developers to become fully aware of the state of Healers would be to get them to play through the entirety of the game as a healer, from character creation to the end of DT. The most being allowed for other roles would be ACN to 30 for SCH.

    I don't think Healers aside from AST would have stayed roughly the same for the entirety of ShB, EW and now DT if the people in charge of making the Jobs actually played the game.
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  5. #5985
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    Tunda King
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    Ragnarok
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    Black Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Ramiee View Post
    Uhm not really BLM is objectively worse now. I heard SAM has had some major issues in non-boss encounters and my friend told me Machinist feels worse too.
    No one you mentioned is worst than the current status of healers and tanks
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  6. #5986
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    Hellebore_Ghrian's Avatar
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    Hellebore Ghrian
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    Louisoix
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    Black Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Tunda View Post
    No one you mentioned is worst than the current status of healers and tanks
    I agree.

    As gimped people seems to tell it is now, BLM is still a great improvement in terms of fun and utility over WHM.
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  7. #5987
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    Grann Goro
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    Ragnarok
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    Paladin Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Silver-Strider View Post
    The floor is literally at the bottom of the Mariana Trench because a healer can be dead while the boss has 70% HP left and you can still clear the dungeon without issue. The only way that the skill floor can get any lower is if they introduce auto play at this point and trusts aren't that far off from doing just that.
    Pretty much...
    Actually, I recently tried to do dungeons without a healer (sync of course) and you barelly see any real différence in the entire experience ! It's not only doable, it's pretty much the exact same experience, aka easy ! No special strategy or coordination required, can 2-packs no problem, etc...
    Of course, the tank has to manage his cooldowns though...

    I played Paladin and I had 3 DPS with me.
    I did "The Vault", "Tower of Zott" (hardest dungeon of all Endwalker) and "Tower of Babil", each one with a different group of people. Result of the test : not a single wipe and only 2 deaths in total (because of mistakes).

    But wait, it gets worse.
    I did another experience after that where I launched a sync level 90 dungeon SOLO. No other player, no trusts ! And it appeared to be doable too !!
    It's just very long and tedious, and you have to run a little to keep up with the timer, but it works !!

    Paladins are sooo broken and indestructible it's insane !
    As a consequence, healers are totally useless in the main content (because yes : dungeons are the main content, and as such they are supposed to be enjoyable in some sort by anyone, including main-healers !)

    EDIT : and about "auto-play" : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hlc-QtQxGys
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    Last edited by Grann-Goro; 07-04-2024 at 06:46 AM.

  8. #5988
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    Rawker Stone
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    Excalibur
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    Paladin Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Auteur View Post
    The attitude of the "strike promoters" is just elitist or mostly out of touch in my opinion.
    The attitude of the "strike detractors" is just elitist or mostly out of touch in my opinion.
    It's fascinating that your statement is also applicable to your side, is it not? Need I also have to mention that we're called elitists and scrubs at the same time by people on your side of the argument. At the very least, coordinate with ome another so you can finalize if we're elitists or noobs.
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  9. #5989
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    Ayalu's Avatar
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    Ayalu Jeji
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    Moogle
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    Scholar Lv 100
    This thread is 600 pages long and it feels most of it ots just explaining again and again the same points for detractors that come with similar or contradictory statements.

    Of course the strike is like a mighty tree, with a lot of branches. The branches would be the dozend of strike related threads.
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    Rent free. It keeps the thread bumped to the top. Handy stuff.
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