#FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

[Aidorouge]

Striker I am for the 1029591069286026020692471 time begging you to not take every single sentence as an attack on everyone else

I eventually gave up and put them on ignore, at this point they're being deliberately obtuse and obnoxious that I just assume they're trolling the thread now.
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Common opposing arguments and their answer:

"Your strike has failed!" > You never understood the actual goal of the strike.
"You can be replaced!" > Good. Pop my queues for me.
"Play some other job then!" > Already have.
"I/My friends don't see anything wrong with healers." > Good for you, you're free to enjoy them.
"123 isn't any different than 111" > Literally where did anyone ask for a 123 combo?
"The forum is a minority!" > Well so are you, by nature of being on this forum.

Worth noting as well that regardless of queue times, it's still objectively true that the number of people playing healer would have dropped. Sure, "contented" healers are still there, but we know ex-healers have walked away from the role, versus having no idea how many of the called "new" healers actually stepped up or were all bluster (especially so given how many of those particular folks had no healers close to 90 or even unlocked, lol). Admittedly the total amount of healers actively queuing/playing is a metric only Square-Enix can see, but they *will* see it, for better or worse.

[Myrany]

I eventually gave up and put them on ignore, at this point they're being deliberately obtuse and obnoxious that I just assume they're trolling the thread now.
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Worth noting as well that regardless of queue times, it's still objectively true that the number of people playing healer would have dropped. Sure, "contented" healers are still there, but we know ex-healers have walked away from the role, versus having no idea how many of the called "new" healers actually stepped up or were all bluster (especially so given how many of those particular folks had no healers close to 90 or even unlocked, lol). Admittedly the total amount of healers actively queuing/playing is a metric only Square-Enix can see, but they *will* see it, for better or worse.

I don't think not having a healer at 90 is a good enough reason to discount someone as long as they have leveled some on the healer. I have NOTHING at 90 despite playing over 5 years. My highest healer is in the 70's I think. Stopped playing it.

Also not everyone posts on their main character. When I started posting on the forums Myrany here was my main. As of last expansion that changed but rather than muddy waters about who I am by posting on a different character I just stuck with Myrany.

[Isala]

Again, that doesn't help anyone understand what you want to see happen.

Do you want more DPS and for the game to take away certain heals? Do you want more reasons to use the heals you have, but also still do more DPS? And would overall DPS output have to be adjusted if that happened, since more DPS causes fights/encounters to feel faster/weaker?

Do you want the enemies to hit harder so those oGCDs feel worth it? Do you want the oGCDs to be less potent or to have longer cool downs so that they don't feel so excessive? Do you want them gone completely and to solely rely on GCD instead for heavy damage? And if you do want just GCD, how will that impact MP levels and a potential addition of a healer DPS rotation that also uses MP?

What is a "fixed" healer to you? And does it actually match up with what a "fixed" healer is to everyone else involved in this strike?

It's a lack of answers to questions like these that causes the manifesto and the overall strike to feel contradictory to many. One person in this thread will demand one thing, only for another to demand the exact opposite. There's not enough organization and collaboration happening in this group to take it seriously as a strike or protest. You want to convince people you're right, but aren't working together in presenting the necessary arguments and answers that will help prove you're right.

You're actually proving our point far more than you realize. Because every single option you listed there would be accepted as FAR better than what we currently have. If we had more DPS skills, we could stay busy. If we had less oGCD heals, or less potent heals, we'd need to heal more, also staying busy. If the mobs hit harder, or did more damage, we would again, stay busy. Managing MP, meaning situations where we had to watch what spells we were casting would also bring more engagement to the job, and is also a common thing that healer have to do in literally any other MMO.

Every single one of those things that you think are "contradictory" to what we're asking for? Those are EXACTLY what we're asking for. We are asking SE to pick one. Pick SOME way to make it so that healer is not the absolutely braindead slogfest it currently is, even in Ultimate content. The claim that "Healers are engaging" in Ultimate has been proven to be yet another lie, by actual Ultimate raiders in this thread. Every role does the same mechanics, but unlike the other roles, healers don't get engaging gameplay while doing content.

[Morgana96]

That said, this shouldn't matter - we do not need to know how to fix the problem in order to know that there is one. The fixing part is Squeenix's job. They're literally game designers. The purpose of the strike and the discussion around it was to draw attention to the fact that the healer role has been devalued for three expansions now and that those of us who play the role expect and deserve better.

Uh , you do, actually. Not on a professional game designer level. But at least on some basic level of what you want to see in a "fixed" healer.

You are the ones who have the problem with the current healer jobs. A stance that is not universal. It's your responsibility to explain and prove why healers are in an apparently horrendous place. You have to prove to the devs you're right and that others are wrong.

This is your strike. You have to be active about it, and make your demands clear from the get go. Why would you leave the entire process to the devs when you already felt they didn't do it right the first time?

[Hellebore_Ghrian]

I don't think not having a healer at 90 is a good enough reason to discount someone as long as they have leveled some on the healer. I have NOTHING at 90 despite playing over 5 years. My highest healer is in the 70's I think. Stopped playing it.

Also not everyone posts on their main character. When I started posting on the forums Myrany here was my main. As of last expansion that changed but rather than muddy waters about who I am by posting on a different character I just stuck with Myrany.

Also, healer's gameplay doesn't change much from lvl 4 to lvl 90 anyway, at least the gcd gameplay remains mostly the same. Leveling only gives you ogcd heal skills.

So even at lvl 50, you already got a big enough picture to know how it woud be at 90-100.

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Uh , you do, actually.

You are the ones who have the problem with the healer jobs. A stance that is not universal. The responsibility to explain why and prove why healers are in a horrendous place is on you. You have to prove to the devs you're right.

This is your strike. you have to be active about it.

Yes maybe, but a lot, I should even say countless, posts which point the issue and submit suggestions are here, on this forum, in a lot of threads including this one. I think the topic has already been covered enough to say we're active. Not our fault if ppl haven't read them or don't want to read them.

[Striker44]

Are you happy that healers will likely remain the way they are, and previously passionate players don't want to play anymore?
What is your goal?

Am I happy? Definitely. Judging by this thread, it sounds like plenty of those "previously passionate players" are still passionate and have just switched to other classes that they also enjoy. They still definitely want to keep playing the game at least, given how they're still subbed and active. Meanwhile, there are potentially plenty of *other* people whose enjoyment of the game comes from how healers are currently designed, and fundamentally changing that could ruin their experience. When it feels like people who have fun playing other classes, too, want to change healers just so everything suits them, and potentially strip away the one role other people might enjoy, that just comes across as selfish and I root against them.

My goal? Twofold. On the one hand, hope SE looks at all the data they have available and not just listen to the people trying to make themselves the center of attention and be the loudest. Listen to the quiet people actively enjoying the game as it is now. Don't change course when you're still on an upward trajectory. And so on. Second goal - help those pushing the "strike" realize why it's not going to be effective. Try to point out the underlying causes of frustration.

Worth noting as well that regardless of queue times, it's still objectively true that the number of people playing healer would have dropped.

At the moment, it would have dropped anyway given the release of two new DPS classes. Plenty of people would be switching for a while to Viper and Picto regardless of anything else. Someone earlier in this thread pulled up a post from the last xpac that featured 2 new DPS (was that SB?) and showed how even several months after release, the DPS queues were longer than usual because of the overabundance of those classes.

Yeah, but that's just one person's take and they just got the ball rolling, so to speak. There's been hundreds - maybe thousands - of posts in this thread analyzing the healer role in excruciating detail from every angle throughout this thread. That said, this shouldn't matter - we do not need to know how to fix the problem in order to know that there is one.

It does matter, because when the "strike" group has no clear direction to provide as a whole, the ultimate conclusion might be that there is no real "problem" to fix. The only "problem" that would exist in such a case is that you simply can't please everyone, and that's a "problem" that is physically impossible to "fix" (especially in a game with such a large playerbase as FFXIV and such widely varying and often contradictory opinions).

Because every single option you listed there would be accepted as FAR better than what we currently have.

Actually, going back to the first part of this reply, I'd consider it a goal of mine accomplished if I could convince even a few people to recognize the distinction between personal opinions and objective facts. Comments like the one I'm quoting here. It would be far better...for you. Recognize that distinction, and frustration may start at least melting away. There seems to be a ton of self-centeredness on the part of those promoting the "strike". What is "better" for any one of us individually and what is better for the game as a whole can be very different things.

[Derio]

The JP community doesnt have a problem with healers or their design. Their solution to if you dont like how healers are or want more dps buttons then go play a dps job. And the answer to if you want more incoming damage go play ultimate. To where your gameplay loop at lower level and casual content up to savage can be solely dependent on other players messing up.

For many people there is the copium of job design changes in 8.0

They want to redesign the content this expansion and do jobs next expansion. However it should have been the other way around, especially considering this is lvl 100 we are talking about.

Basically if you dont like healers in DT either dont play the game or play something else and wait until 8.0

[Shenlao]

Have Square come to the negotiation table yet? How is the strike going?

[Aravell]

You are the ones who have the problem with the current healer jobs. A stance that is not universal. It's your responsibility to explain and prove why healers are in an apparently horrendous place. You have to prove to the devs you're right and that others are wrong.

May I point you in the direction of the 'Summary of Healer Issues' thread? All the problems have been discussed very extensively over the years, by a lot of people. The devs should also have all the internal data on hand to verify the truth of everything being discussed, from the lack of healing requirements to spending 60-90% of our casts on our filler spell, they can confirm it by simply checking their data.

We've already made clear our problems over the years, if you actually aren't here just to make a fuss, go take a look at the summary thread linked in the OP. There's also been several people who have created their own personal redesigns of each healer job all over the healer forums.

There's been tons of feedback and discussion about the issues already, and the fact that you can't even be bothered to click the link and look at it before smugly telling us to actually talk about the issues is frankly insulting.

[Isala]

The JP community doesnt have a problem with healers or their design. Their solution to if you dont like how healers are or want more dps buttons then go play a dps job. And the answer to if you want more incoming damage go play ultimate. To where your gameplay loop at lower level and casual content up to savage can be solely dependent on other players messing up.

For many people there is the copium of job design changes in 8.0

They want to redesign the content this expansion and do jobs next expansion. However it should have been the other way around, especially considering this is lvl 100 we are talking about.

Basically if you dont like healers in DT either dont play the game or play something else and wait until 8.0

The JP community wouldn't know a good MMO if it bit them in the face. There's a reason that every single good thing in this game was borrowed from other MMOs. There's a reason it took getting Yoshi P, a WoW fan, to fix the "We know what our players want" mentality that had them crap out XI 2.0.