#FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

[Supersnow845]

Yea but the rest of the points and of the people shouting and yelling are because healers 11111 spam. So I think the lack of real conclusively is why the devs will not change anything. When instead just saying "nerf tank healing" would be easier for 99% of people to get behind and wouldn't come off elietist. Where as "healers are ez mode" yea u can see how it comes off

The problem is that there is just more than one problem and different people push back against different things

For example, you tend to lean towards “nerfing tank sustain is fine” whereas I’ve debated others who said I’m not so many words “I’ll only support you if you don’t nerf any other role to achieve what you want”

Different facets of healer design have different problems for different people and proposed fixes anger different people, for example the tank forum would rather rip you apart than consider WAR’s healing is overtuned

They won't add complexity to healers rotations. I'd give that dream up now. If they did theyde alienate casuals from the role even further. Its probably better to demand a change to tanks instead aswell as more heal checks

Which we have also had people on this thread tell us “healing checks will make the casuals abandon the role you are better off asking for more DPS”

[Saraide]

Then why not demand a nerf on tanks instead of a change on healer. We all know if it wasn't for war this wouldn't even be a problem

Why are you in here arguing when you have never read the summerized complaints in the opening post?

[sindriiisgaming]

Why are you in here arguing when you have never read the summerized complaints in the opening post?

What is it they say about assume again?
It makes a something something of something something. Yea. Ur assuming. I did read them and I've been reading this thread for a while. And I'm noticing the complains aren't organised. Half of you want 1 thing half want the other. Because of this inconsistency the devs are unlikely to listen to either

[sindriiisgaming]

Also my bf dies in tender Valley a lot. As a healer. And when he dies its basically run over bevause of all the other stuff. I think this also happened in alexandria to bos 1. The only dng I was really able to cary on war was vanguard first and 3rd boss

[Saraide]

The adds in the first boss of that dungeon dont even deal real damage. You have to moth into the exaflares to die as non-tank. It's an excellent encouragement to not get hit by mechanics and it's one of the better designed bosses in dungeons in general but the damage output isnt high.

[Saraide]

Somehow giving healers a more complex damage rotation will alienate casuals but higher heal checks wont despite it being nearly impossible to wipe to a lack of damage dealt in casual content. Make it make sense.

[sindriiisgaming]

Somehow giving healers a more complex damage rotation will alienate casuals but higher heal checks wont despite it being nearly impossible to wipe to a lack of damage dealt in casual content. Make it make sense.

It's actually far from impossible. Maybe I'm just the *casual* here. But so far the dt dungeons heal checks have resulted in a LOT of wipes from either myself the healer deing. Or having nobody to share stack damage with. I think the new dungeon design is doing it ls job tbh and I would not say healers are obsolete in there. Perhaps in the future. But them there will still be the newer dungeons to do where they WONT be usless.

[Saraide]

It's actually far from impossible. Maybe I'm just the *casual* here. But so far the dt dungeons heal checks have resulted in a LOT of wipes from either myself the healer deing. Or having nobody to share stack damage with. I think the new dungeon design is doing it ls job tbh and I would not say healers are obsolete in there. Perhaps in the future. But them there will still be the newer dungeons to do where they WONT be usless.

Yes it's possible to wipe from receiving too much damage. That's what I'm saying. It's not possible to lack due to a lack of healer dps. So why is giving healers a more complex damage rotation gakekeeping casuals but increasing heal checks, which you advocate for, not

[WaxSw]

I mean I've cleared a handful of savages in my day
Shiva. Gaia. Hephaistos. And even I'm struggling with that boss. Literally cannot go a single run w/o 1 of them grabbing me. And I've tried to find safespots. Part of what makes it hard is the rest of the party running around cluttering your screen. Again btw the calca dolls do do unavoidable damage. I'm genuinely curious how tanks even get around that. Also last boss has a nasty raid wide dot

Its normal, regardless of experience, that people get hit with new mechanics but when people get used to them that will happen less. I for example have been in several parties where 1 or more people dont get hit at all and alone the damage of 1 doll isnt that high either (+tanks can heal another person very efficiently)

Calca dolls arent really an issue, they deal around 5-6k damage per hit (so 10-12k if both are alive) unmitigated. Add the tank aoe mit and heals, the dps mit and heals and extra damage of dropping one healer for an extra dps and they die before they can become a problem

[sindriiisgaming]

Its normal, regardless of experience, that people get hit with new mechanics but when people get used to them that will happen less. I for example have been in several parties where 1 or more people dont get hit at all and alone the damage of 1 doll isnt that high either (+tanks can heal another person very efficiently)

Calca dolls arent really an issue, they deal around 5-6k damage per hit (so 10-12k if both are alive) unmitigated. Add the tank aoe mit and heals, the dps mit and heals and extra damage of dropping one healer for an extra dps and they die before they can become a problem

The dps heals? Rangers and casters don't have that tho. Only melee and bloodbath. As for tank aoe heals. Only war has that. Unless ur running premade 3 melee I think this is literally not going to viable