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  1. #5121
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    Quote Originally Posted by KitiaraIornsight View Post
    Oh look, its now the whole thread has descended into bashing the devs. How predictible.
    A single page of posts towards devs now is the whole thread? I don't think so.

    Healers have been frustrated for years, the thread exploding is just an expression of that. It's not shocking that players would be antagonistic to devs as a group for that. So long as it's general feedback and not personal atta ks it's fair to express annoyance. They're paying for a product not getting charity.
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  2. #5122
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    Quote Originally Posted by KitiaraIornsight View Post
    Oh look, its now the whole thread has descended into bashing the devs. How predictible.
    not bashing the devs at all, but we can blame the players for some thing, but the players are not making the game. that rests solely with SE. so, the individual devs, no, they have no say they just do as they are told. and their OWN SLIDE.. saying "what they learned" is hardly "bashing the devs". what it is, is asking if they still adhere to that.
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  3. #5123
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolder50 View Post
    Well, it's not like the detailed and consistent feedback for literal years has produced any results, sooo
    See that's the thing though, they don't HAVE to listen to our feedback 100% of the time.
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  4. #5124
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aelin_Ashryver View Post
    A single page of posts towards devs now is the whole thread? I don't think so.

    Healers have been frustrated for years, the thread exploding is just an expression of that. It's not shocking that players would be antagonistic to devs as a group for that. So long as it's general feedback and not personal atta ks it's fair to express annoyance. They're paying for a product not getting charity.
    Its more than just a page.... i've been following this for days. And its SOME healers are frustrated. Not enough for them to roll back those changes either.
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  5. #5125
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    Quote Originally Posted by KitiaraIornsight View Post
    See that's the thing though, they don't HAVE to listen to our feedback 100% of the time.
    And we don’t HAVE to be happy with the slop they serve us expansion after expansion

    We are the customer here
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    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess

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    Quote Originally Posted by KitiaraIornsight View Post
    See that's the thing though, they don't HAVE to listen to our feedback 100% of the time.
    No one's asking them to implement everything we say?

    What we're asking them to do is acknowledge that the feedback exists. Because they haven't shown any inkling of feedback existing at all despite telling everyone to post feedback in the official forums.

    You can't expect your paying customers to remain patient for eternity when you don't even notice their feedback on your product.
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  7. #5127
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    I am just going to say this since I keep seeing it pop up.

    Healers choosing not to play a class that is no longer fun to them is NOT, I REPEAT NOT selfish.

    They are simply exercising the same right I as a DPS or anyone else has to enjoy the game they pay for. They do not owe me a queue pop.
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  8. #5128
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    Quote Originally Posted by Myrany View Post
    I am just going to say this since I keep seeing it pop up.

    Healers choosing not to play a class that is no longer fun to them is NOT, I REPEAT NOT selfish.

    They are simply exercising the same right I as a DPS or anyone else has to enjoy the game they pay for. They do not owe me a queue pop.
    good to hear Myrany, happy to share a world with you ^^
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  9. #5129
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    Quote Originally Posted by KitiaraIornsight View Post
    Its more than just a page.... i've been following this for days. And its SOME healers are frustrated. Not enough for them to roll back those changes either.
    Yeah I've been peeking the thread too. The whole thread is not just atks on devs.
    And you say not enough for them to roll back? Well Yoshi P already admitted they went too far making things simple. They already are planning to roll back on the simplifications to the jobs, the shitty part to that is we won't see it for years.

    And yeah some healers, a lot of healers given this thread and every other major healer feedback thread also being hundreds of pages. The continued low playrate of healers compared to other roles could be argued that even outside forum feedback players don't find healers compelling enough to play.

    I'll not bother with more on that matter. We can give our feedback and see what comes of it like we have since shb dropped.

    Devs and SE as a whole can be criticised, ppl are paying for the game. I'm not for singling people out but I think it's fine to say the devs have failed healers if that's how you feel. I don't get to avoid critical feedback at my work, idk what this pussy footing is around game devs ever getting negativity for their poor products lately.

    If you want the praise for the wins, and the se devs have had many. You can take the L's and criticism for places you could be doing better, in this case healers is one place they could do a lot better imo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KitiaraIornsight View Post
    Oh look, its now the whole thread has descended into bashing the devs. How predictible.
    Oh look, a post made in bad faith to discredit years worth of dissatisfaction made by customers towards a product they also pay. How predictable.
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