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  1. #5041
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    WeakestZenosEnjoyer's Avatar
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    Scrappy Moonlord
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    Halicarnassus
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    Red Mage Lv 100
    When you're missing a piece of the trinity you should feel like you're missing it.

    This is true of tanks, their passive and active mitigation goes really far and they're increasingly self sustaining murder balls, something exceedingly valuable for any dungeon run.

    This is true of DPS, you're not getting anywhere quickly without at least one competent DPS, we've all had those runs where both are asleep at the wheel and a trash pack takes two minutes.

    This simply isn't true of healers, every tank except DRK can spot heal and many DPS have both self and party heals to pick up the slack.
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  2. #5042
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    Shialan's Avatar
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    Shinon Hisae
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    Shiva
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    Sage Lv 91
    Quote Originally Posted by Aravell View Post
    This, honestly.

    No one really cares that regular dungeon content can be done without healers, what makes it bad is that dropping a healer in dungeons is optimal. If it was unoptimal and the team just struggles the entire dungeon like a challenge run, then there's really no issue. But dropping an entire part of the trinity should not be optimal.
    So, why isn't everyone doing it?
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  3. #5043
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    Tunda's Avatar
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    Tunda King
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    Ragnarok
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    Black Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by WeakestZenosEnjoyer View Post
    When you're missing a piece of the trinity you should feel like you're missing it.

    This is true of tanks, their passive and active mitigation goes really far and they're increasingly self sustaining murder balls, something exceedingly valuable for any dungeon run.

    This is true of DPS, you're not getting anywhere quickly without at least one competent DPS, we've all had those runs where both are asleep at the wheel and a trash pack takes two minutes.

    This simply isn't true of healers, every tank except DRK can spot heal and many DPS have both self and party heals to pick up the slack.
    20% reduce damage taken as passive for all tanks feels booooring..

    why not just give paladin passive increase defense, warrior life steal when attacking.. exc
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  4. #5044
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    Supersnow845's Avatar
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    Andreas Cestelle
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    Jenova
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    Scholar Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Shialan View Post
    So, why isn't everyone doing it?
    Because DF enforces a healer

    It’s more effort to go into PF and make a PF for a random dungeon dropping the healer than it is to actually just DF it and bring a healer. The problem comes in that it being optimal to not being a healer flows into the entire design elements in that the enforced healer in DF often feels useless

    If DF gave me the option to queue as a healer and if I get a WAR allow me to swap to PCT I’d take it 100 times out of 100
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    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess

  5. #5045
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    Aravell's Avatar
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    J'thaldi Rhid
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    Mateus
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    Machinist Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Shialan View Post
    So, why isn't everyone doing it?
    Do you realise how stupid this argument sounds?

    BLM is optimal, why isn't everyone using it?
    MNK is optimal, why isn't everyone using it?
    SCH is optimal, why isn't everyone using it?
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  6. #5046
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    hunter2's Avatar
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    Hoon Tahtoo
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    Ragnarok
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    Monk Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Shialan View Post
    So, why isn't everyone doing it?
    I did a lot of expert runs with 1T3D last summer, provided my FC were available. If there was an option in duty finder to queue like that I would choose it over 1T1H2D because it's faster and expert roulette is just a tomestone chore. I only queued healer for expert roulette if I really wanted to not think or play the game but I needed to get a few tomes before weekly reset in order to not fall behind my static on gear.
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  7. #5047
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    Local_Custard's Avatar
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    Rhel'a Tayuun
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    Sargatanas
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    Culinarian Lv 83
    Quote Originally Posted by Strigine View Post
    I play healer because I like taking care of others and helping them shine! I enjoy that kind of teamwork. I loved the old AST cards because of this, and I think that's why many healers enjoy DNC.

    I for one don't mind if content can be cleared with no healers, as long as that remains the less optimal way. I believe there needs to be something that makes having at least one healer a better choice than an extra DPS or tank, even for veterans running casual content or farm parties. As things are now, it isn't so strange that many healer mains are feeling bored or left out.

    It's not a "god complex" or a desire to control the team. It's simply a desire to contribute meaningfully without things having to go awry for that to happen. To help other players accomplish their goal, but not at the expense of our own sense of accomplishment.

    In my opinion, the responsibility that used to come with healing was part of the appeal.

    (This discussion has become hard to read... But thank you to those who have spoken up about the current issues with the role.)
    yep! I certainly enjoy the responsibilities of healer even if they aren't really there anymore... hence healers becoming a redundant role in this game. It feels cruel what has happened to the role.
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    I love the men in this game

    I finally return to the game! Current goal: getting all my jobs to 90

  8. #5048
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    Naychan's Avatar
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    Naychan Le'mew
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    Coeurl
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    Scholar Lv 100
    I been saying this the whole expansion, I waited, I played.

    Healers still feel about as heroic as a doormat.

    Alot of content hardly needs us, EX's need 1 good whm for heal checks. Content is too easy the only thing to look forward to as a healer is a bad group so we can breaup up our 211111111112111111111 rotation.

    As far as savages go, you only need two healers while learning the fight. Once everybody has it down you can swap out for more dps and be on your merry way. The skill level has been lowered so much Ive had to scrap it off the floor to find it. Healers don't feel heroic or necessary anymore. Really if SE is going to keep farming out our abilities just replace us with stronger healing potions.
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  9. #5049
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    Graveyardprincess's Avatar
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    Raven Nightshade
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    Seraph
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    Viper Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Shialan View Post
    So, why isn't everyone doing it?
    Well

    A. Its enfroced
    B. so what if everyone else isnt doing it lol half this world doesnt spend their nights enjoying the graveyard but it doesnt make it an amazing place to go to at night to read and wait

    c. If everyone else in the world isnt eatting meat does that mean meat is bad lol of course not its amazing

    Numbers and majority mean nothing lol
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  10. #5050
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    Ayleth Goode
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    Maduin
    Main Class
    Paladin Lv 90
    This entire protest makes absolutely no Twelve-damned sense.

    -You're complaining about the fact that jobs outside of the healer role have any degree of independence. A player is incredibly likely to be nowhere near a healer outside of instanced duties unless multiple players are operating together. And non-healer sustain IN instanced duties is nowhere near enough to keep the party alive in the long-term if the tank does anything but single-pull and wait for everyone's cooldowns/HP regeneration to end in between mobs.

    -You're claiming that a job which focuses entirely on healing damage AFTER it's taken, a job which focuses on setting up barriers to prevent damage from BEING taken, a job which focuses on buffing allies and setting up heals to go off after a delay, and a job which focuses on setting up HP buffers and WANTING THEM TO BE DEPLETED... are in any way identical. The only thing that makes them "homogenous" is the fact that you don't need a specific one or the other, and that's just good game design. Trying to play Astrologian the same way one plays White Mage, let alone play Sage the way one plays White Mage, is a good way to get one's party killed.

    -You're complaining about the job's gameplay being repetitive, and then you're complaining about the fact that you have too many options that are all equally viable. There are complaints about the job gauge system AND complaints about the basic cure spell that claims an ability that RUNS OFF THE JOB GAUGE SYSTEM replaces it.

    -And you're expressing this dissatisfaction by not playing as healers... which punishes OTHER PLAYERS WHO HAVE TO WAIT FOR A HEALER, not the developers.

    This entire thing is completely illogical.

    MINOR NOTE: I accidentally posted this message before I had finished writing it, which included a few points copy-pasted from the manifesto so I didn't have to scroll all the way up and down to refer to it. I apologize for any confusion that might have arisen from this mistake.
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    Last edited by DTIBA; 06-25-2024 at 11:07 PM. Reason: Post was unfinished when initially posted.

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