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    Quote Originally Posted by SoloD007 View Post
    I have friends who are healer main like Sage, scholar etc and they don't mind the changes. They will still play the role because they like the job that they play. In terms of mashing glare/malefic/broil/ dosis etc. I mean i don't know.... do you healers want a midare setsugekka or spam fire 4 like a black mage and stressing over timers? I think spamming a skill is just part of the norm. Because at the end of the day. Clearing content is the end goal.
    Just because something is the norm, does not mean it should not be changed. Clearing content should not be the end goal, having fun playing the game should be the goal. This is a game about overcoming obstacles and enjoying that journey. People want to be engaged with the healer role, and it's obviously lacking for a part of the population.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LynxDubh View Post
    Just because something is the norm, does not mean it should not be changed. Clearing content should not be the end goal, having fun playing the game should be the goal. This is a game about overcoming obstacles and enjoying that journey. People want to be engaged with the healer role, and it's obviously lacking for a part of the population.
    Sure, having fun in a job you play is a goal but having fun in a job also falls on the player themselves. You can't put 100% of responsibility on devs. I doubt the devs wake up everyday and think "hmmm... how can I screw with all the healer mains in the game". Like come on this isn't world of warcraft. So I think people who are truly unhappy with healer job should change their mindset instead and find ways to make healer job that you play more fun. Because there are many other healer mains that is still having fun with their healer jobs even with these new changes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SoloD007 View Post
    I have friends who are healer main like Sage, scholar etc and they don't mind the changes. They will still play the role because they like the job that they play. In terms of mashing glare/malefic/broil/ dosis etc. I mean i don't know.... do you healers want a midare setsugekka or spam fire 4 like a black mage and stressing over timers? I think spamming a skill is just part of the norm. Because at the end of the day. Clearing content is the end goal.
    I really hate it when people deliberately miss the point either because of trolling or just deciding that sidestepping like a politician will somehow make people believe they are right.

    Let's make it very simple. Use only Hakaze to kill 10 mobs. Was that boring? Okay, now imagine doing this from level 50 to level 100, where none of your abilities ever matter outside of Savage/Ultimate. That is the problem.
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    Last edited by Enjuden; 06-30-2024 at 09:59 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enjuden View Post
    Let's make it very simple. Use only Hakaze to kill 10 mobs. Was that boring? Okay, now imagine doing this from level 50 to level 100, where none of your abilities ever matter outside of Savage/Ultimate. That is the problem.
    Except this isn't the case in casual gameplay. I've been doing most of the roulettes as heals the past couple days, with random, typical players, and I'm healing a lot. Typical tank doing the typical 2-pack pull would probably drop dead at least half the time if I didn't actively heal. Heck, I've had to break out the whole kit sometimes, not to mention when DPS (and sometimes myself) stop paying attention to our footing and stand in bad places. I feel like the "problem" is that for many of us, the community we interact with grows smaller and ends up only including people of similar experience and skill as us, and then of course things seem easy. But that's not the norm for the typical player doing the typical DF run, and that's what needs to be taken into account from a design perspective.
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    Noah Orih
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    Quote Originally Posted by Striker44 View Post
    Except this isn't the case in casual gameplay. I've been doing most of the roulettes as heals the past couple days, with random, typical players, and I'm healing a lot.
    Is it possible that you're just bad at healing?
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    Sage has failed to live up to the fantasy of a sci-fi DPS healer. Please change this for 8.0. Make Sage fast, exciting, and aggressive. It should feel like a healer that plays like a DPS. Empower the aspects of Sage's unique healing mechanics: Kardia and Eukrasia to give its healing playstyle more identity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Striker44 View Post
    Except this isn't the case in casual gameplay. I've been doing most of the roulettes as heals the past couple days, with random, typical players, and I'm healing a lot. Typical tank doing the typical 2-pack pull would probably drop dead at least half the time if I didn't actively heal. Heck, I've had to break out the whole kit sometimes, not to mention when DPS (and sometimes myself) stop paying attention to our footing and stand in bad places. I feel like the "problem" is that for many of us, the community we interact with grows smaller and ends up only including people of similar experience and skill as us, and then of course things seem easy. But that's not the norm for the typical player doing the typical DF run, and that's what needs to be taken into account from a design perspective.
    except, I am a casual. I am sure you saw the spreadsheet that someone made, with all the posters here. I am as casual as it gets. I play with randoms all the time. on the VERY RARE OCCASION.... I have to actually heal. if you, sir, actually healed on a regular basis, you would know this.

    why is your experience not the same as mine? you stated as such in YOUR OWN WORDS. "I've been doing most of the roulettes as heals the past couple days" and who do you get the last couple days? people just back into the game after time off and people who have just picked up one of the two new classes, you heard of those right? Pictomancer and Viper. new jobs and people figuring out things. yes, you will get to do a lot of healing.

    before you assign that to a "normal" experience.... maybe actually main healer, not take it up as a hobby. because, as things age, like the expansion.. thats not the "normal" experience.. thats a blessed rarity. but you wouldnt know that. that is the reality of casual game play sir.
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    #FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

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    Quote Originally Posted by Striker44 View Post
    Except this isn't the case in casual gameplay. I've been doing most of the roulettes as heals the past couple days, with random, typical players, and I'm healing a lot. Typical tank doing the typical 2-pack pull would probably drop dead at least half the time if I didn't actively heal. Heck, I've had to break out the whole kit sometimes, not to mention when DPS (and sometimes myself) stop paying attention to our footing and stand in bad places. I feel like the "problem" is that for many of us, the community we interact with grows smaller and ends up only including people of similar experience and skill as us, and then of course things seem easy. But that's not the norm for the typical player doing the typical DF run, and that's what needs to be taken into account from a design perspective.
    I literally only do duty finder and pf up until savage. The healers I get do not need to heal me when it comes to stuff that isn't considered 'hard' dungeons like doing the final wall to wall with Tower of Zot while I play Dark Knight. When I do heal, it still hasn't changed from hitting '1' for the most part and using ogcd in case of emergency, which is very rare playing with basically anyone and everyone. Why is it that your only argument is when people are clueless the role works on its main function?

    Care to try again? Or is there another excuse that you can make up on how I play just because of my lodestone or other things? It's not like I can magically go into savage in early access, so what is the issue this time, since I can't even do savage at the moment.

    Edit: Also, don't project onto other people. It's pathetic.
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    Last edited by Enjuden; 06-30-2024 at 12:15 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Striker44 View Post
    Except this isn't the case in casual gameplay. I've been doing most of the roulettes as heals the past couple days, with random, typical players, and I'm healing a lot. Typical tank doing the typical 2-pack pull would probably drop dead at least half the time if I didn't actively heal. Heck, I've had to break out the whole kit sometimes, not to mention when DPS (and sometimes myself) stop paying attention to our footing and stand in bad places. I feel like the "problem" is that for many of us, the community we interact with grows smaller and ends up only including people of similar experience and skill as us, and then of course things seem easy. But that's not the norm for the typical player doing the typical DF run, and that's what needs to be taken into account from a design perspective.
    You're not the only casaul player in this thread, mind you.
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    Also I want to make a note here. Like players who main bard has it worse imo. Because their personal dps is almost non-existent compared to other dps roles but I seen pretty high end bard players (few but still there). They play bard because they enjoy the job. Xeno can survive without healers is because he's know the ins/out of a warrior, just like I know the ins/out of a samurai. So yeah, I still don't know what's up. When SE nerfed samurai dps to be lower than a ninja in Endwalker, it was rough but there was no need to go on a strike because it was still fun to play even if I was just spamming midare setsugekka + Kaeshi: setsugekka which is equivalent of spamming glare/dosis/malefic/broil etc etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SoloD007 View Post
    Also I want to make a note here. Like players who main bard has it worse imo. Because their personal dps is almost non-existent compared to other dps roles but I seen pretty high end bard players (few but still there). They play bard because they enjoy the job. Xeno can survive without healers is because he's know the ins/out of a warrior, just like I know the ins/out of a samurai. So yeah, I still don't know what's up. When SE nerfed samurai dps to be lower than a ninja in Endwalker, it was rough but there was no need to go on a strike because it was still fun to play even if I was just spamming midare setsugekka + Kaeshi: setsugekka which is equivalent of spamming glare/dosis/malefic/broil etc etc.
    As a samurai you don’t press a single button more than 20% of the time in savage

    We can press broil up to 80% of the time

    It isn’t remotely comparable

    And BRD isn’t comparable either because BRD has strong buffs and still has an interesting rotation
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    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess

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