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    Quote Originally Posted by Kira619 View Post
    Ah, there must be a misunderstanding. I'm not assuming that the only people who share these viewpoints are those that appear in this forum. That would be mathematically impossible. I'm saying that the threads seen here can't be used as a representative to indicate the audience as a whole, because they represent too small of a numerical value to reflect the majority of the audience. Hence, the topics seen here express a very small minority of the gaming audience as a whole. AKA, there is nowhere near enough traffic in this thread to state the feelings expressed here represent how the majority feel within the gaming bloc.
    as i said, if this was just a small vocal minority and didn't represented healers at all it would not have evolved to so many pages and talked in other places.

    while in terms of what truly need to be done isn't solid, the truth is when we talk about about majority its important to remember its the healer community aka those that main healer and play mostly healer in different content dungeons and beyond and if it was something none had agreed on, others wouldn't have bothered to bring it even up.

    no one know what kind of changes the majority wants for healers but what is certain the majority WANTS CHANGES or at least to be acknowledged that healers are in bad spot especially after countless times healers negligence appeared in expansions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WeakestZenosEnjoyer View Post
    The silent majority has spoken by making healer queues so short,

    if the game's playerbase likes healers so much, why aren't they playing healers?
    Another self quote moment
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    Quote Originally Posted by WeakestZenosEnjoyer View Post
    Another self quote moment
    ummmmmmmmmmm...... because of 21 jobs in the game there are only 4 healers. Guess what, tank queues are super short also in normal content....
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    Quote Originally Posted by KitiaraIornsight View Post
    ummmmmmmmmmm...... because of 21 jobs in the game there are only 4 healers. Guess, tank queues are super short also in normal content....
    they are longer then healers but are shorter then dps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kira619 View Post
    Ah once again the classic putting words in people mouth. Never had I said the viewpoint people have in here is meaningless. I said I believe they don't represent the majority of feedback presented to Square. I have already indicated the fallacy of making the statement that there is 0 vocality about tanks being too squishy so I don't need to go over it again.
    Im not saying you said anything, i am addressing tangential implications. Where in my post did i say you said any of those things? Id appreciate if you dont do the classic putring words in my mouth.

    Semantic waste of time aside,

    Where does the majority of feedback occur? It seems to be the forums.
    So where is all this majority feedback about tanks being squishy? I provide evidence of forum posts and news outlets and influencers, and you provide nothing but assumptions that there must be more feedback to the contrary elsewhere.

    Besides, tanks arent actually being made tankier. They are only being proportionally increased according to the higher numbers of new content above level 90. Like glare or medica 2 potency increases which also only occur after level 90. These dont increase effective damage or healing output, they just scale with the new levels and enemies having higher numbers too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KitiaraIornsight View Post
    Don't bother Kira, those striking are absolutely 10000% convinced their views are the majority view of the player base that plays heals that they certainly don't listen when healer mains like myself say otherwise. They also seem to think that the echo chamber that is the overall dumpster fire of these forums represents the whole sum total majority view of the playerbase when MOST players never step foot in here and it only tends to be the loudest complainers that post feedback.
    I dont think most people agree with the healer strike in thinking that healer role is boring and unnecessary. I actually think that most people have no idea and have never really thought about it, dont care or just play something else.

    But i do think that everyone would benefit from some proposed changes to healers and game content as it relates to healers. And that this would help the game's quality and popularity as a whole, and thus i prove the game's longevity as well.

    I dont think i myself ever once said i think most people agree with the healer strike.
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    so, is there equality in this strike? i see that healers want better dps tool kits, that i can agree with, but, are healers actively asking for others to have less heal toolkit? i feel that is very hypocritical, why do heals get to be best of all worlds in this idealistic scenario, if you want non role abilities removed from others wouldn't you too be loosing your precious dps toolkit?

    im all for healers getting more rotation and having fun, but i am not going back to HW where 1 out of every 10 healers even knew how to play, or cared enough to try, and every dungeon/trial was a 2 hour long catastrophe..

    i just dont get a lot of the points being made as its all a hyperbole of we deserve everything and you get nothing, and if thats the case ill just go back to ignoring yalls petty strike.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mostly_Raxus View Post
    so, is there equality in this strike? i see that healers want better dps tool kits, that i can agree with, but, are healers actively asking for others to have less heal toolkit? i feel that is very hypocritical, why do heals get to be best of all worlds in this idealistic scenario, if you want non role abilities removed from others wouldn't you too be loosing your precious dps toolkit?

    im all for healers getting more rotation and having fun, but i am not going back to HW where 1 out of every 10 healers even knew how to play, or cared enough to try, and every dungeon/trial was a 2 hour long catastrophe..

    i just dont get a lot of the points being made as its all a hyperbole of we deserve everything and you get nothing, and if thats the case ill just go back to ignoring yalls petty strike.
    I can't speak for everyone, but I feel like the general consensus is "GIVE US SOMETHING TO DO!" whether that's a more engaging DPS rotation, or encounter designs that actually make us use our healing toolkit, either approach would make all the healers suck so much less than they currently do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mostly_Raxus View Post
    so, is there equality in this strike? i see that healers want better dps tool kits, that i can agree with, but, are healers actively asking for others to have less heal toolkit? i feel that is very hypocritical, why do heals get to be best of all worlds in this idealistic scenario, if you want non role abilities removed from others wouldn't you too be loosing your precious dps toolkit?

    im all for healers getting more rotation and having fun, but i am not going back to HW where 1 out of every 10 healers even knew how to play, or cared enough to try, and every dungeon/trial was a 2 hour long catastrophe..

    i just dont get a lot of the points being made as its all a hyperbole of we deserve everything and you get nothing, and if thats the case ill just go back to ignoring yalls petty strike.
    Most of the healer strike is focused on piss baby content like dungeons, because they don't do hard modes and criterion had low engagement , most dungeons end up as just msq obligations as asscesible to the most amount of people
    Uncharitably, most content in the game is built for bottom of the barrel players.

    warriors kit is outrageous for dungeons and why no healer runs are possible. but much less important or impactful is life steal in single target content, holmgang is a bigger issue there. Drk actually needs a lot of babying in dungeons but single target fights it's def cool downs are very very nice, just as examples
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mostly_Raxus View Post
    so, is there equality in this strike? i see that healers want better dps tool kits, that i can agree with, but, are healers actively asking for others to have less heal toolkit? i feel that is very hypocritical, why do heals get to be best of all worlds in this idealistic scenario, if you want non role abilities removed from others wouldn't you too be loosing your precious dps toolkit?

    im all for healers getting more rotation and having fun, but i am not going back to HW where 1 out of every 10 healers even knew how to play, or cared enough to try, and every dungeon/trial was a 2 hour long catastrophe..

    i just dont get a lot of the points being made as its all a hyperbole of we deserve everything and you get nothing, and if thats the case ill just go back to ignoring yalls petty strike.
    Healers are not asking to parse above actual DPS.

    Since we also asked for more healing, we want to spend overall less than 90% of our time DPSing as we do now.

    But since we are still going to DPS a good portion of our time, we want that time to be more interesting.

    Healers DPSing also doesn't remove DPS classes enjoying the main function of their goal - DPS. DPS group healing for 500 potency does remove our primary function in some situations nearly entirely.
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