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  1. #4311
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    Kaeya Alberich
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    Quote Originally Posted by GartredZW View Post
    I'd put an example for what I think would be a good rotation, but a lot of other people already have if you've been watching through this thread.
    (To be fair I think those ideas get lost very quickly since this thread has already passed 450 pages. So perhaps giving your example can still be helpful for newer readers.)
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  2. #4312
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    Turtledeluxe's Avatar
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    Kinda Hungry
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    Siren
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    "I agree with the strike but it's poorly thought out because...wah wah wah".

    "The entire point of the game is to be boring outside a tiny % of content.""

    "I'm going to type up my thoughts without actually reading anything in the thread."

    - average critic response
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  3. #4313
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    Lala Astera
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    Sophia
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    Warrior Lv 56
    Quote Originally Posted by OliviaLugria View Post
    Doesn't bother to read discourse -> misrepresents goals -> makes same points that have already been explained -> the cycle continues...
    I get that it is tiring to see the same criticism over and over again, I really do, but can we please have some patience to people that are new to the thread. Yes, the person you're replying to was being rather short, but expecting someone to read the last 400 pages isn't realistic. Tone of criticism is just as important as the criticism itself and it can be hard to support the movement if you don't agree with the behavior you are seeing. I myself am in this camp and that's with me being a very dissatisfied healer main.
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    Last edited by Rozeee; 06-21-2024 at 04:13 AM.

  4. #4314
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    Grainne Gothram
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    Healers don't even need a DPS rotation they just need stuff to manage with DPS.
    For example with scholar you could just
    Broil
    Biolysis
    Miasma (replace art of war and is also plus on single target)
    Casting Dot (replace ruin 2)
    Energy drain becomes fester
    Deployment tactics can spread dots

    This isn't adding any new buttons it's just making the DPS more interesting. Just having any form of management or engagement fixes the dps situation you can do with with all healers.
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    Last edited by Ramiee; 06-21-2024 at 03:35 AM.

  5. #4315
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    Mikael Ordo
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    Gilgamesh
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    Quote Originally Posted by Turtledeluxe View Post
    "I agree with the strike but it's poorly thought out because...wah wah wah".

    "The entire point of the game is to be boring outside a tiny % of content.""

    "I'm going to type up my thoughts without actually reading anything in the thread."

    - average critic response
    I don’t even get why critics are so heated over people organizing to not play healers in dawntrail. Are they just dps mains who are mad that queue times are gonna go up because healers are tired of consuming Yoshi p’s slop for the third expansion in a row?
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  6. #4316
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    Leon Arcadian
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    Midgardsormr
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rozeee View Post
    I get that it is tiring to see the same criticism over and over again is really tiring, I really do, but can we please have some patience to people that are new to the thread.
    No. When I was new to the thread I actually read the OP and understood what was going on instead of skipping to walls of text histrionics proudly declaring I have no idea what everyone's talking about.
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  7. #4317
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    Dari Tayuun
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    Jenova
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    Quote Originally Posted by OliviaLugria View Post
    Doesn't bother to read discourse -> misrepresents goals -> makes same points that have already been explained -> the cycle continues...
    If I've misrepresented the goals of the healer strike, then I'm going to say they were poorly presented by this thread to begin with. I read over the initial post multiple times over the span of a few days to ensure I understood it as well as it could be understood as was written. I'd ask nicely to be filled in on whatever I've seemingly missed despite several re-reads, but these are apparently points that have already been explained, and I'm unlikely to budge on the things I think are hard "no"s anyway. Which is most of it, aside from the homogenization issues and the desire for more damage buttons, so a recap would waste both of our times as opposed to me just willingly wasting my own with making my original post.

    Not that any of it matters since the whole thing will be buried in an hour anyway, which I should have considered in hindsight before even putting my fingers on the keyboard. Oh well. Can't esuna recklessness, can we? :')
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    Last edited by raincat; 06-21-2024 at 03:40 AM.

  8. #4318
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    Alexia Kusanagi
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    Odin
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    Bard Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by GangWeed View Post
    I don’t even get why critics are so heated over people organizing to not play healers in dawntrail. Are they just dps mains who are mad that queue times are gonna go up because healers are tired of consuming Yoshi p’s slop for the third expansion in a row?
    Well outside of 3 trials they can solo everything else so it’s not like they’re screwed cause of the strike lol I play one of each class, Endwalker a friend of mine healed all new content where as I tanked it.. now we’re flipping and it doesn’t bother me if I get quicker queues for a bit.
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  9. #4319
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    Saito Soji
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    Coeurl
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    Sage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by TBerry View Post
    This is a mainstream-friendly entrypoint for players who want to try MMOs without much sweat beyond midcore savage raiders.
    i'm....i'm sorry? have you ever tried running coils savage with only original classes?....what about that is midcore?

    Quote Originally Posted by TBerry View Post
    Stop trying to make it an MMO it isn't.


    You've been farming from free range funky carrots there bud. put them down.
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  10. #4320
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    Jager Meister
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    Behemoth
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    Warrior Lv 90
    *Laughs in Warrior*
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