#FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

[Reinha]

I love when people bring up the "Just do ultimate!" argument because, guess what, it is no different at all.

To prove my point, I went and found a low parse Omega Protocol clear. Low parse to show it's not an optimized farm run or something. And look!



It's almost entirely one button! Wow!

Good god that's like twice the one button presses than what I managed as a garbage first-time healer in p5s and p6s. People say healing is supposed to be the most fun when people are new and things are chaotic, but even in savage it was still not fun to me and it won't get better in ultimate either. To think that people pay a subscription to have that kind of gameplay at high end...

[Reinhardt_Azureheim]

I know savage and ultimate learning parties are fairly common but due to my massive fear getting banned for not doing savage and ultimate run perfectly on my first try, i simply don't dare to join to savage and ultimate learning parties.

I don't like using discord when i don't like using any types of social platforms.

I fear you are labouring under massive misunderstandings here - for a start, I am actually a fairly experienced player across all roles, with many savages and ultimate clears under my belt and I still make mistakes, horribly embarassing ones even and I have yet to experience getting actively blacklisted, let alone getting banned for not performing perfectly. High-end raiders are no angels, so if even the best make mistakes, who says it's an issue if you do?

Practice parties are there for learning and mistakes are commonplace. Clear and reclear parties also occasionally have people getting hiccups and wiping the group occasionaly, that's life. It is only for speedkill groups that will seek perfect play, but those typically can be ignored.

Really, stop being worried about needing to perform perfect the first time you join raids, or any content. Hell, when content is new we don't even have guides, we just learn on the fly on our own - there is no perfect play then.

[KageTokage]

Ok one last thing I would like to add because I have been thinking about the question how to make healers necessary while still ensuring a low skill floor and keeping normal/casual content accessible (while allowing for a high skill ceiling in hard content).

I think that “needs a healer” and “is not too difficult” are not mutually exclusive.
Imo there just needs to be enough damage over time that exceeds the healing non-healer jobs can provide/mitigate.

Here is a very simple example. I’ll focus on GCD healing for the sake of the argument but of course this should also work with other/more interesting healing mechanics. I’m also not addressing more DPS options here.

Example:

You have your standard dungeon run/boss fight and the boss will cast their usual “big” raid wides. You can deal with those with your oGCD tools as you normally would.

But in-between those raid wides the boss would continuously deal low damage to the whole group (either by bleeds or by high frequency low-damage raid wides).

This damage can be countered by casting GCD aoe heals.

Additionally it could also keep on targeting random players to deal single target damage. That damage doesn’t need to be super high.

One GCD could cover it.

This is basically how WoW tends to structure its healing needs in the average encounter.

There's almost always something that's stressing the healers enough that they seldom get any chances to hit offensive buttons (Unless you're specifically using one of the specs like discipline priest or mistweaver monk that heal with their offensive buttons, albeit generally not as well as the typical healing buttons), and the most common type is non-trivial tank damage, with constant AoE damage pulses or random single target hits/DoTs being other options.

AoE healing also tends to be a bit of luxury and not something to be spammed outside extremely high intensity heal checks where it's literally the only way to keep everyone up due to the mana inefficiency of it.

[Amity_Roji]

This was a reasonable take up until blaming literally everyone who doesn't agree with you, which is plainly ridiculous.

I didn't do that. I blamed Square Enix. The part you later quote was me countering several non-healer individuals who had a "stop ruining my game!" attitude towards this movement. I am not blaming them for the current state of healers in any way - I'm saying that their attitudes toward our dissatisfaction is unacceptable.

Ya, other ppl don't get to decide what class u play.
But you don't get to speak for me either.

I don't recall doing so? My use of the collective "we" was intended to be very general, not a literal "every healer thinks this."

don't also claim that anyone who doesn't agree with your specific take is hurting the role wtf.

I didn't do that. Again, I pretty clearly state that Square Enix's design philosophy is what's hurting the role.

Us vs them is stupid

Agreed - so why are people coming in here and making it that, necessitating my refutation of their poor arguments?

[forumaccountyippee]

healers are kinda funny how they are im just here to put my name on the spreadsheet

[Hellebore_Ghrian]

healers are kinda funny how they are im just here to put my name on the spreadsheet

Oh yes that speadsheet that communicates false information by not taking into account the content done in past expacs. Not even worth mentioning. Another Twitter trick, I suppose.

[Oizen]

Im on the spreadsheet and my highest level healer is CNJ at lv 15.

[XiaoShengwu]

You're the 5th person trying to get healers to unsubscribe. This was all answered before.

- Continued attempt to convince people to unsubscribe cross the line from unwanted to creepy.

Pretty sure it can be regarded as harassement btw.

you don't know how right you are. The majority of those who have come in here telling us to; unsubscribe, that our points are invalid, that we aren't wanted here, that we shouldn't express our feedback...etc.

Prohibited Activities in Final Fantasy XIV
■Communication based conflict
Cited under ■Nuisance behavior
See:
・Expressions that unilaterally reject another person's opinion
・Expressions that compel a playing style
・Expressions that attempt to unilaterally exclude someone from the game or content/community, etc.


Crazy right?

[lilwitch]

I didn't do that. I blamed Square Enix. The part you later quote was me countering several non-healer individuals who had a "stop ruining my game!" attitude towards this movement. I am not blaming them for the current state of healers in any way - I'm saying that their attitudes toward our dissatisfaction is unacceptable.

That was how it read to me, but I'll apologize since you've clarified it. Sorry, lala.

[Supersnow845]

For those who think the answer to this whole problem is “just play savage” what is your answer to the fact that savage and ultimate are overwhelmingly broil spam?

Do you think that’s acceptable design? If it’s not does that not necessitate game wide kit changes that will naturally flow into casual content as well?

If you think it’s acceptable design what is your justification for that given no other class exceeds 20% of their buttons being one button?