#FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

[AlaineIV]

You all need to explore: Dungeons can be cleared with 4 healers, 4 tanks, 4 dps, 2 dps 2 healers, 2 tanks 2 healers, etc... Going with the traditional 1 tank, 2 dps, 1 healer is simply what dailies do to keep them fast and simply easy to complete. Dungeons are meant more to tell a story for the Lore rather than keep people grinding them out on a daily bases to get better at them. It's simply not the way the game is designed. You go into a savage raid, bloodwhetting isn't going to keep a tank alive, the boss's auto's alone do more damage than bloodwhetting can heal.

What needs to be fixed is raid design or dungeon design. A bit of complexity doesn't hurt, but people forget that a casual group struggled on The Burn. They had to nerf that dungeon cause the Fog Dragon was killing more people than pvp (insert sarcasm). Healers have a aoe button for a reason, use it. The basics of dps: ALWAYS BE CASTING. If a tank isn't taking damage in roulette, DPS. If a tank is taking damage- heal it's that simple. A lot of healers in this forum must not have Glare III, Broil IV, Dosis II, or Maelific III on their hotbar in dungeons and stand around doing nothing.

[Supersnow845]

You all need to explore: Dungeons can be cleared with 4 healers, 4 tanks, 4 dps, 2 dps 2 healers, 2 tanks 2 healers, etc... Going with the traditional 1 tank, 2 dps, 1 healer is simply what dailies do to keep them fast and simply easy to complete. Dungeons are meant more to tell a story for the Lore rather than keep people grinding them out on a daily bases to get better at them. It's simply not the way the game is designed. You go into a savage raid, bloodwhetting isn't going to keep a tank alive, the boss's auto's alone do more damage than bloodwhetting can heal.

What needs to be fixed is raid design or dungeon design. A bit of complexity doesn't hurt, but people forget that a casual group struggled on The Burn. They had to nerf that dungeon cause the Fog Dragon was killing more people than pvp (insert sarcasm). Healers have a aoe button for a reason, use it. The basics of dps: ALWAYS BE CASTING. If a tank isn't taking damage in roulette, DPS. If a tank is taking damage- heal it's that simple. A lot of healers in this forum must not have Glare III, Broil IV, Dosis II, or Maelific III on their hotbar in dungeons and stand around doing nothing.

Is there like a prize for how far people can miss the point because this is a contender

1) there is only 2 things we care about with respect to dungeons
A) 1T3D should never be faster and more optimal than 1T1H2D but currently if you are semi competent it is
B) even when the tank can’t keep themselves alive without us there is a still a criminally small amount of healing to do. Give us something to do that’s not spamming broil as this doesn’t change the skill floor for story enjoyers

2) this problem exists all the way up into savage. In savage we are overwhelmingly broil bots with minimal mapped out healing that isn’t testing our overbloated healing kits and our single target heals are rotting away because between the tanks massive self heals and our AOE healing triage is just dead in high end content

3) there is no content between braindead dungeons and savage where you can try new things with only medium amounts of risk


We come from all levels of healers, we aren’t all sylphies and we aren’t all ultimate raiders

[AlaineIV]

Is there like a prize for how far people can miss the point because this is a contender

1) there is only 2 things we care about with respect to dungeons
A) 1T3D should never be faster and more optimal than 1T1H2D but currently if you are semi competent it is
B) even when the tank can’t keep themselves alive without us there is a still a criminally small amount of healing to do. Give us something to do that’s not spamming broil as this doesn’t change the skill floor for story enjoyers

2) this problem exists all the way up into savage. In savage we are overwhelmingly broil bots with minimal mapped out healing that isn’t testing our overbloated healing kits and our single target heals are rotting away because between the tanks massive self heals and our AOE healing triage is just dead in high end content

3) there is no content between braindead dungeons and savage where you can try new things with only medium amounts of risk


We come from all levels of healers, we aren’t all sylphies and we aren’t all ultimate raiders

You must've missed the part where I said what needs to be fixed is raid design/dungeon design. Healers are fine where they are at. It's simply put that Raids are extremely easy and don't push ANY of the classes to their limits. Also normal raids are easy enough to were you can push yourself in knowing how much you can push as a dps. A few people die in normal while experimenting so what. Raise them and continue, you know what you need to work on. Self improvement. Sadly can't do that cause most mechanics are either body checks or do too little damage. As I said Raid design is the problem.

[Supersnow845]

You must've missed the part where I said what needs to be fixed is raid design/dungeon design. Healers are fine where they are at. It's simply put that Raids are extremely easy and don't push ANY of the classes to their limits. Also normal raids are easy enough to were you can push yourself in knowing how much you can push as a dps. A few people die in normal while experimenting so what. Raise them and continue, you know what you need to work on. Self improvement. Sadly can't do that cause most mechanics are either body checks or do too little damage. As I said Raid design is the problem.

They can raid design themselves out the wazoo it still doesn’t change the boring and annoying truth that your reward for optimising your damage is broil spam

Let’s say that abyssos bleedwides were actually constant and they were the healers job, it doesn’t change the fact that healer problems extend to their DPS rotation and how overbloated their kits are

Raid design isn’t the only problem

[ForsakenRoe]

A lot of healers in this forum must not have Glare III, Broil IV, Dosis II, or Maelific III on their hotbar in dungeons and stand around doing nothing.

We do, but A: you only got 2 of those 4 correct as of EW, and B: where we simply press, in AOE for example, Holy 3 ad nauseam, a tank has a 1-2 combo for AOE, which builds resource to spend on a third AOE skill. Some aspects of the ST rotation also carry over, such as how a GNB will be able to use No Mercy, BowShock, Double Down, and even throw in Blasting Zone on a priority target. Coming in DT they'll also be able to Continuation off of Fated Circle, and Lionheart combo will work in AOE too. And that's just GNB. PLD has Confiteor combo and Req will become AOE, WAR has Decimate, IR to allow for 3 in a row, Infuriate upgrades it to Chaotic Cyclone (and gauge spenders reduce the CD on Infuriate). And DRK has it's OGCD 'random BS go' phase that it can throw out, since almost everything it does has AOE functionality.

Then you look at the DPS and they also have more going on for them in AOE. Whether it's NIN's interaction between AOE and Doton via Hollow Nozuchi, BRD getting Rain of Death resets in Mage's (and in DT, Pitch Perfect will be AOE), or BLM having the ever-fun feeling of Flare, Flare, Manafont, Flare (soon to be another Flare here with the DT changes), Ether, Flare again. All the DPS have plenty going on in AOE situations to keep the player engaged. But for a healer, it's just the same one button over and over. AST barely avoids this thanks to the RNG of Cards, soon to become 'another predictable OGCD attack' in DT. SGE attempts (barely) to avoid it with Phlegma, a once-per-40s attack. WHM at least has Misery to play with, and Assize (but it's oGCD so it doesn't really break up the Holy Spam in the same way Aero 3 used to, for example), and SCH doesn't even try, since Energy Drain is single target. And the DT 'improvements' for healer will mean that we press something 'not the usual button' between 1-3 times on the start of the first pull, and then it's business as usual until the boss. Then, after the boss, 1-3 'new' buttons pressed, business as usual.

Meanwhile, I, a mere goober on the internet, with just two additional hotbar buttons (which can be recovered by simply having Cure1 upgrade into Cure2, or Medica1 into Medica2), managed to come up with a way to have FIVE GCD buttons used for our AOE situations as a WHM. Or, from the 1 Art of War spam button we use as SCH for AOE, to 4 GCDs, plus the OGCD Bane to spread the DOTs. What's SE's excuse? Evidently, it's not a case of 'they don't have the creativity', it's 'they deliberately choose to have the role be the way it is'. And I'm not the only goober who's goob'd ideas on the forums, people have been posting ideas about how to improve healers in the healer feedback section of the forums for five years now, and yet despite all the feedback which SE surely listens to, we get 'Jesus on the cross, with his crown of thorns' mode as SCH. What feedback spawned that abomination?

edit: What I'm trying to get at is, if the tanks are going to selfheal themselves in dungeons to the extent that we just 'spam Holy/AOW/Dyskrasia/Gravity' because we don't need to heal, it'd be nice if it was more than just 'spam Holy/AOW/Dyskrasia/Gravity'. Like, for a SCH example, how about 'Put up Biolysis, Miasmalysis, spread them with Bane, drop a Shadowflare on the enemy, and then spam Art of War until you need to refresh something'?

[OliviaLugria]

Most of the pages are genuine nonsense and bickering, quantity does not equal quality and it's pretty evident in this thread.

Also Thank you, im quite enjoying my time with healer and I will be leveling one alongside a dps class come DT.

Hard to do anything about it, when no one bothers to read it. People come, make assertions, they are argued, explained and then dismissed only for a new set to come in, not read, and make the same baseless assertions.

[OliviaLugria]

Based on reactions on reddit, Youtube, discord etc. the only thing this thread has accomplished is making content for content creators and r/shitpostxiv.

Mostly because it was based on no-healer dungeon clear and posted by someone that does not do savage it was already ruled out as "casual weirdos on forums crying about nothing again".

Unless big influencers come out and plainly state the issues this won't change.

But there are not many of them that main healers and fully share the opinion, f. e. in recent MogTalk episode about state of healers I believe Momo said he likes the current state of healers. Rinon has no strong opinion either way and the healer from world race static Kindred dislikes healing because he was dps main before or smth.

And we saw what Xeno, MrHappy etc. has said about the whole thing

I don't really understand your point... a huge problem healers we're facing was feeling unheard. It's not like the craziest thing, but content creators, news outlets, and this fourm are keeping the conversation going. I feel more heard than ever. This seems like a huge success already.

As for content creators, no one would outright support a strike against the game that pays them, but Zepla, Cole, and even Xeno took our concerns seriously and agreed with some points and disagreed about others. That's a hard-core raider, mid-core player, and a healer agreeing even if they don't think the method is correct.

Not saying they did a perfect job, but they're not going through 300 pages of content during a stream and we can do a better job at expressing our points.

[Supersnow845]

I don't really understand your point... a huge problem healers we're facing was feeling unheard. It's not like the craziest thing, but content creators, news outlets, and this fourm are keeping the conversation going. I feel more heard than ever. This seems like a huge success already.

As for content creators, no one would outright support a strike against the game that pays them, but Zepla, Cole, and even Xeno took our concerns seriously and agreed with some points and disagreed about others. That's a hard-core raider, mid-core player, and a healer agreeing even if they don't think the method is correct.

Not saying they did a perfect job, but they're not going through 300 pages of content during a stream and we can do a better job at expressing our points.

Exactly, the biggest blowback we have gotten from the creators and from their channels is the idea that our method of “strike” is stupid: which fair enough it kinda is. But that was never the intention of the strike. Making the idea behind the complaints a “strike” has broken the containment our problems have being stuck on the healer forum. We are sick of soapboxing on the healer forum to each other while nobody listens to us

This has generated more healer discussion than we have gotten since probably when they completely changed the healers in ShB. If you take out the “the strike is stupid” and ask people “okay but are you happy with healers” people tend to lean towards no. This is getting people talking and it’s honestly spread faster than I ever expected it to, they can meme our methods if they want

[MagiusNecros]

Streamers: This Healer Strike is the worst thing I've ever heard of.

Healerstrike: But you have heard of me. *smug*

[Evergrey]

Streamers: This Healer Strike is the worst thing I've ever heard of.

Healerstrike: But you have heard of me. *smug*

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