#FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

[Reinha]

So i take it unsubscribing isn't an option for this healer strike? I'm sure they'll pay attention if a large portion of healers all collectively unsub and stop playing and go support a different game.

Namely the people throwing this protest around, please unsub and go play something else.

We will not unsub and we will keep posting in the forum with the forum privileges afforded to subscribed players in addition to enjoying Dawntrail as tanks and dps. Please click with your mouse to exit the thread if you don't like reading healers' feedback directed to Square Enix.

[Orbitaldoll]

What can I do? Personally, I enjoy other aspects of the game, like crafting/gathering. The game doesn't revolve entirely around battle content, and if I do that, I usually play tank/dps anyway. I like playing all jobs, even if healers are borderline lazy design.

I play all the classes, every battle content. One becomes boring, I switch to other and then I find things to be both giddy and nitpicky about. Much like how a lot of ARR healers switched to DPS by Stormblood (some didn't even last that long). The now empty healer spot gets occupied by a much ambitious sprout. And the cycle continues. Doesn't really solve the issue in the end.

Personally I dont think this strike will change much either, but Square really needs to conjure some major design decisions rather than playing "next expansion" card.

[Turtledeluxe]

I don't think I've posted in this thread yet, but I guess I got into the topic from another thread, so here's my take:

1. The Healer DPS rotation is brain-dead. Does it need to be expanded or made harder? I don't necessarily think so. Why? Because if healers had to heal and weren't stuck pressing 111111, their DPS tools wouldn't be an issue.

2. I don't think WAR or tanks in general are the problem. Like it was said above, don't take away other people's fun. Self-healing is what WAR does. If these tools were taken away from them and replaced with simple mitigation - that's just homogenising the tanks. Similarly I don't think self-healing is universally better than mitigation - they both have cases where they shine. Rebalancing tanks to bring them more in line might be needed, but that doesn't really concern healer issues.

3. Tanks and in fact the whole group needs to take more damage than what they themselves can heal or mitigate. DPS specifically should take more damage, as right now the only way they can be damaged is stacks, raid-wides and their own mistakes. Those are all fight design issues.

4. Healing aside, healers uniquely have Esuna - but it is entirely underused. If bosses applied DoTs or DMG-downs or Dooms, etcs, which no one but healers could deal with, that would resolve most all issues healers have. Example how a simple DoT could be handled in 4 different ways, one for reach healer:
-SGE would have to apply a special shield to be consumed by the DoT instead of the player's health. This would be an unique skill and DoTs could bypass any other shields.
-WHM could counter the DoT by outhealing it with a more powerful, but more mana-costly version of Regen.
-SCH would have an upgraded version of Esuna, which uniquely could dispell the DoT.
-AST, having seen the future, would have to preemptively apply a buff, which automatically consumed and removed the DoT when it is applied. This wouldn't work on a DoT already present.

There are countless ways healer gameplay could be spiced up without touching other job's toolkits.

I hate to break it you and other people who are against nerfing sustain on other roles, but it's a party based game, and tanks are known to use their sustain to grief other people. That's not to mention that their sustain is an existential problem for classes whose main job is healing. The game is designed so any job is viable and any job is playable, that doesn't mean the jobs need to have identical levels of mitigation/healing/dps. And this is evidence by existing skills-- Manawall on BLM serves mitigation purpose but you don't see them soloing down a boss do you? NO you don't. So please spare me the "don't touch other roles". When a WHM, DNC, BLM, etc are soloing down bosses because the rest of the party wiped, then I will want to hear about the tank sustain is fairly balanced as it is now.

Another hard truth, all of the calls for incoming damage to be enhanced are never going to happen. Nor should it happen to overcompensate for an egregious job imbalance you just don't want to stare in the face.

[Y2K21]

We will not unsub and we will keep posting in the forum with the forum privileges afforded to subscribed players in addition to enjoying Dawntrail as tanks and dps. Please click with your mouse to exit the thread if you don't like reading healers' feedback directed to Square Enix.

Stuff like this makes me think this whole thing is not serious even though I agree with the points made.

[Ravenblade1979]

No one expects changes by 7.0. We understand changes take time, especially when they have been baked into the design for 4+ years.

To be fair. As I've said in other posts. I been around a long time. Healers seem to be their Achilles heel and I'm not sure they will every do them justice.

[TheDustyOne]

huh funny you say that because I was unsubbed for a time (not on purpose- that is how long my laptop was out of commission. My laptop has since then been working very nicely.) and could not post on the forums. So you may want to review what you say before spreading misinformation.

Funny thing was, I was away for a couple of weeks recently and couldn't log in. When I came back it took ages for the forums to realise I had logged into the game. So despite being subbed, I couldn't use the forum. They're "technically right" in that the forum doesn't care for sub, it cares for game activity. But because game activity requires a sub, it still means the forum requires the sub.

[Turtledeluxe]

To be fair. As I've said in other posts. I been around a long time. Healers seem to be their Achilles heel and I'm not sure they will every do them justice.

Then they can expect people to keep complaining ,which doesn't help the game in any way. In fact, people complaining and some eventually giving up on it only hurts it. Not only because x person unsubs, but because if x person was actually satisfied, they'd probably actively recruit other people to play the game as well over however many years. That's why you shouldn't just assume your players will always be there and shouldn't treat them as disposable. But SE seems allergic to keeping any of their IP as profitable as possible lately, including the MMO segment.

[Rehayem]

I play all the classes, every battle content. One becomes boring, I switch to other and then I find things to be both giddy and nitpicky about. Much like how a lot of ARR healers switched to DPS by Stormblood (some didn't even last that long). The now empty healer spot gets occupied by a much ambitious sprout. And the cycle continues. Doesn't really solve the issue in the end.

Personally I dont think this strike will change much either, but Square really needs to conjure some major design decisions rather than playing "next expansion" card.

It's what I do too, constantly switch jobs so I can keep myself busy. This thread has appeared in some articles already (even a Japanese one) but I do agree things won't change, and I don't think they will until 8.0. SCH and AST are still my favorite, the latter very much so because of its busy system with the cards, I'm not sure whether I'll feel the same in DT though.

But the cycle will continue forever, see, new sprouts become main healers until they notice something's "off" and realize it's just the endless 1 button spam. With DT and additional DPS buttons to healers, it's clear they're shifting away from healing to green DPS with mitigation type of support.

[WeakestZenosEnjoyer]

You all would just rather blow up the forums and keep a sub to continue complaining even before the actual expansion is out. That's the key thing to me. The expansion isn't out. None of you have had the ability to try it to see if changes make sense or not.

ShB came out 5 years ago actually, those are the changes we're complaining about, Dawntrail is just more of the same so we won't be playing Healers,

you're also "blowing up the forums" by continously bumping the thread and keeping it at the top, that's how a forum works, we didn't sign a pact with Zodiark to force the front page to acknowledge us.

[Orbitaldoll]

When more than half the appeal of your game comes from exploring new jobs and their related storylines, yet the core mechanics rob jobs of their identities in PVE. Frankly, at this point, might as well bring back cross class skills.