#FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

[Summersong]

Clemency is a great example here because that ability is completely fine to be on paladin. It undoubtably is a powerful ability in a clutch scenario but it doesnt read 'here have benediction on a 25s cooldown'.

It also fits with PLDs job theme. I'm confused why WAR heals itself. If anything their job reads as more of a berserker role where they should be enraged and deal extra dps but at the cost of something else - like taking more damage, or being locked into completing their fell cleave combo while being unable to disengage or move away from the boss. (I can see why the latter is NOT a thing, especially as they had to remove animation movement lock from dragoon jumps, but it would make MORE sense than self healing.)

[Raikai]

What baffles me the most is the current copy paste aspect of healer's spammable actions. The scope of a healer's DT 'immediate' dps kits, the actions you'd be pressing the most, at least 60s recast times.

Glare + Dia + Assize
Broil + Biolysis + Energy Drain
Malefic + Combust + Earthly Star + Dps card (*I didn't count Lord since technically it's only available every 2 minutes)
Dosis + E. Dosis + Phlegma + E. Dyskrasia (*maybe? If it turns out to be a gain in DT's final build)

Even if this amount was somehow (not that I'd agree) a good compromise, it doesn't have a reason for it to be almost the SAME across healers. Is this '1.5 cast nuke + 30s dot' just laziness?

Why a healer can't have a spell combo system instead of a dot to manage?
Why a healer can't have just very short lived dots to maintain instead of a spammable nuke?
Why Astrologian can't have Combust being a single target 'time bomb' that blows up for more damage if caught by Earthly Star?
Why can't a healer have a nuke with the old long cast time?

[Ardeth]

You'd have to fundamentally change how terribly over designed dungeons are for there to be any meaningful change and even then all it would be is increased incoming damage so you're forced to heal more and dps less and people would start screaming for it to be back to normal again. People started this problem, and people will complain until it goes back to the way it is where healers aren't necessary. You started this garbage learn to like the taste of it.

[fulminating]

It also fits with PLDs job theme. I'm confused why WAR heals itself. If anything their job reads as more of a berserker role where they should be enraged and deal extra dps but at the cost of something else - like taking more damage, or being locked into completing their fell cleave combo while being unable to disengage or move away from the boss. (I can see why the latter is NOT a thing, especially as they had to remove animation movement lock from dragoon jumps, but it would make MORE sense than self healing.)

Lifesteal is fine, it’s always been a part of ff14 warrior. The quests went on about them being able to fight forever as long as they had an opponent iirc. I think thematically nascent is meant to be like awakening the warrior beast thing in whoever it’s pointed at, even if it’s a bit silly. Shake it off should lose at least one if not two of shield, hot, flat heal. While thematically it’s reasonable on its face, it’s just way too strong and covering too many bases. Raw intuition and nascent being mutually exclusive was healthier too I think, leaning back into the hw theming. It’s also silly to have a flat potency, instead of 1/2 damage dealt or whatever scale factor you want. I’d also like it if they gave big hp low mit another shot, now that the devs are in n a more similar page to the players instead of presenting t5 and being surprised people don’t want to chain res it.

[Summersong]

Lifesteal is fine, it’s always been a part of ff14 warrior. The quests went on about them being able to fight forever as long as they had an opponent iirc. I think thematically nascent is meant to be like awakening the warrior beast thing in whoever it’s pointed at, even if it’s a bit silly. Shake it off should lose at least one if not two of shield, hot, flat heal. While thematically it’s reasonable on its face, it’s just way too strong and covering too many bases. Raw intuition and nascent being mutually exclusive was healthier too I think, leaning back into the hw theming. It’s also silly to have a flat potency, instead of 1/2 damage dealt or whatever scale factor you want. I’d also like it if they gave big hp low mit another shot, now that the devs are in n a more similar page to the players instead of presenting t5 and being surprised people don’t want to chain res it.

Thank you for clarifying the lore context for warriors heals. I have levelled warrior but I've forgotten it since ARR days.

[Saraide]

Self healing is one thing but warrior healing others doesnt really make sense. I feel like that's simply a case of job homogenization. One tank's short cd mit was throwable so now they all have to be. The end result of that is that functionally no tank is allowed to have an advantage over SE's clearly most favored tank.

[Crushnight]

For Me there are two main issues with the healer state:

1. Healer kits are over bloated with healing tools and are largely unnecessary while having a dps kit too shallow to be engaging at all.

2. Non healer self sustain is too high that it starts to invalidate healers in content.


I would say issue 2. Is what devs should focus on as it will also impact issue 1 at same time.



Tanks should return to Stormblood levels of mitigation and self sustain but damage output of content should stay as it currently is or higher. This change would force healers to flip between both healing and dps sides of their kit more often, yes the kit still be shallow but flipping between the two more often is healthier than 90% on one side that it currently is.

Stuff like War’s bloodwhetting either removed or limited on how much it can heal significantly, tanks should not be able to survive big pulls with no interaction from a healer

The passive increase of defense tanks have gotten from tank stance, remove it, they have mitigation tools for a reason don’t give them a passive that is equal to or better than them, tanks be able to tank just fine but it would require better team effort with their healer and dps to pull wall to wall.

For Dps any bonus healing to other party members drastically reduced, they ain’t healers they are dps so make them act like it more(see people who say why don’t you healers play dps if wanna dps can work the other way too), stuff like vercure potency is at most 5% hp of target (panic heal at best useless to maintain hp pools between raid wides), curing waltz only affects Dnc+dance partner, improv no longer shields or regens pick one, PCT loses that AoE shield, Phoenix loses its regen (lore be damned the devs stopped caring about job lore ages ago couch ShB Ast cough), Rpr’s shield either remove trait that makes it AoE regen if breaks or make it purely on Rpr only, PCT’s burst heal remove it from the skill they ain’t a healer why do they have such a potent heal.


Make healers have to balance both sides of their kit better then look at improving both sides of the healer’s kit. Right now non healers are a bigger threat to the usefulness of healer’s healing toolkit than the healers kit themselves.

[Aarchie]

Is it me or some people don't get it?

1. Healer gameplay should be engaging in all sorts of content. From brain dead dungeons to high end raids. Engaging = either more heals, or DPS, or something else. It doesn't really matter. What matter is the fun factor while doing it and doing something actually interesting gameplay-wise.

2. SE will NOT I change the whole battle system, nor will make older content fights require much healing. Hence healer will need to DPS. The question then is: if we need to DPS, why does it have to be one button mashing? If we have to DPS at least make it interesting and synergise with the healing kit.

3. Healer identity is a problem. To the point you can almost make a 1:1 comparison of skill between SGE/SCH for example.

4. The other jobs being able to do all what healer do, like WAR being able to self-sustain to the point healers are not needed, is not how it should be. What's the point of the healer if your tank can survive it without it? "DPS instead" - go back to point 2.

[WeakestZenosEnjoyer]

Now that my daily post limit is back, I've finally figured out how to make healers engaging without nerfing WAR sustain,

they have all the tools anyway, just actually make them a green role with some minor tweaks. People have been asking for a melee healer after all.

[aiqa]

M80 the literal first bullet on the first post’s manifesto is about sustain not belonging on other jobs. I would also like to know how well sb drk would cope with the mt gulg pulls.

That is not a black/white point. That bulletpoint claims heals being given to other roles becomes a problem when it encroaches on the healer role. That doesn't mean all heals should be removed from other roles. And that point doesn't claim all jobs have encroached on the healer roles. I don't see why I'd have to defend DRK performance before supporting a claim that the healer role is being encroached on. DRK isn't the only job in the game, and is not the job that I (or any other people I've seen) have listed as problematic in this thread.