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  1. #2821
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    Quote Originally Posted by OgruMogru View Post
    To better inform yourself on the myriad reasons, please see the extensive thread linked in the OP documenting the longstanding issues healers have had that are affecting players from all skill-levels and interests.
    So you want tanks to be simple damage sponges with no way to survive outside of having a healer around at all times, who will still complain due to still only having a dot and one direct damage spell?

    I don't really see a way forward with a design like that, to be honest. Casual content (IE Pretty much everything outside of Savage/Extremes) will likely never be designed where the healer role is much more difficult than it is now.

    IMO, the real fix is to nerf outgoing healing across the board, including healers themselves so that they have to cast more healing, more often, instead of one heal and then spam dps. But thats just me.
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  2. #2822
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    Quote Originally Posted by GrimGale View Post
    You have yet to provide a good argument.
    I have, you just didn't like what you heard. Stop writing it off like Square writes healers off and like how everyone's going to write healers off if you keep having this mentality.
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  3. #2823
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    Quote Originally Posted by RhaesDaenys View Post
    More what? More that what's done? That could mean literally anything.

    Tell us exactly what you want.
    I mean, you could always read the thread. Starting with the first post.
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  4. #2824
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kazmarek View Post
    I have, you just didn't like what you heard. Stop writing it off like Square writes healers off and like how everyone's going to write healers off if you keep having this mentality.
    We accept your concession.
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  5. #2825
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    Quote Originally Posted by HighlanderClone View Post
    I'm just going to keep linking this because these pictures really just answer this often repeated argument for me.
    You should add what these same charts look like in the hardest content in WoW (Good comparison since it's basically the same website, and similar gameplay)

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  6. #2826
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    Quote Originally Posted by Niroken View Post
    I mean, you could always read the thread. Starting with the first post.
    But reading is hard, can't you just sum up the problem in 5 words or less so I can more skillfully argue in bad faith and prop up a small army of strawmen?
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  8. #2827
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    Quote Originally Posted by RhaesDaenys View Post
    So you want tanks to be simple damage sponges with no way to survive outside of having a healer around at all times, who will still complain due to still only having a dot and one direct damage spell?

    I don't really see a way forward with a design like that, to be honest. Casual content (IE Pretty much everything outside of Savage/Extremes) will likely never be designed where the healer role is much more difficult than it is now.

    IMO, the real fix is to nerf outgoing healing across the board, including healers themselves so that they have to cast more healing, more often, instead of one heal and then spam dps. But thats just me.
    You're looking at it only from your perspective. The problem is healers are not always needed AND their kits when healing is not needed is utter trash. If the damage tools were fine, we would be fine with not having to heal. If I'm not needed, the only thing I can do as WHM is 1111111111111111111111.
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  9. #2828
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    Quote Originally Posted by Niroken View Post
    I mean, you could always read the thread. Starting with the first post.
    I'm not reading 290+ pages, sorry. I've played all roles since ARR and I've never felt like healing felt lackluster outside of straight up DPS portions, which could use more stuff, but then I see how button bloat becomes a problem then and realize that is the likely reason DPS hasn't been expanded on past what there is.

    Just nerf healing across the board by like 35% and now you have to cast more heals. Easy.
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    Last edited by RhaesDaenys; 06-17-2024 at 07:40 AM.

  10. #2829
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    Quote Originally Posted by GrimGale View Post
    We accept your concession.
    Then it sounds like you're happy to be written off and I'm happy to continue to write you off. My job is fine, my job can do your job. It's not my problem. Thanks for continuing to make your own movement look bad.
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  11. #2830
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    Quote Originally Posted by Exino View Post
    You're looking at it only from your perspective. The problem is healers are not always needed AND their kits when healing is not needed is utter trash. If the damage tools were fine, we would be fine with not having to heal. If I'm not needed, the only thing I can do as WHM is 1111111111111111111111.
    I play all roles, and my post above explains that, and likely why it is the way it is.
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