#FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

[Evergrey]

I'm affraid this strike won't really accomplish much, but that doesn't mean that people shouldn't try.
People are suuuuuuper self centered and don't care about the gameplay experience of others. So their initial response to this strike is ridicule and apathy.
Supports (Healers moreso than tanks) are largely being relegated to background npcs with unengaging gameplay loops. This needs to change.
We're about to enter a new expansion and these concerns are just shoved to the next expansion. People don't want to wait 3 years to enjoy the game again.

Mm.. I can agree.
In a broad viewpoint someone who plays a healer is a "victim" of the circumstances.
And then they act in a way to make others victims of those actions.
But if that's the only way they believe that SE will listen, who am I to stop them. Not that I could if I even tried.
I just don't think that SE has been ignoring healers or their feedbacks.
I think that tanks and healers are as they are today because people years ago complained about how anxiety inducing and stressful playing a tank / healer was, so SE simplified them.
And this is the result of SE listening from back then.

[SamLeens]

The "more dps buttons" isn't a hardcore raider demand though. It's more of a midcore demand if you will. I've done both, I don't consider myself to be an excellent player. But even in high end content the amount of healing downtime makes your filler rotation really prevalent. This fact doesn't really change depending on your skill level.

Getting one extra button (or a meaningful interaction) to break the nuke spam monotony is the probably the friendliest solution to everybody. It doesn't add more healing stress and you don't really have to do perfect dps as a healer to complete content. (You don't even have to do perfect dps as a dps to complete most content.) It doesn't affect less skilled players but it does give veteran players something interesting to optimize around in all content.

Do you think you're more likely to find veteran players in statics? i mean, there is a difference between pf gameplay and static gameplay, at least in terms of routine. In a static, im on the same level of knowledge as everyone else and the routine that develops is rarely interrupted. Whereas in the party finder, you never know what to expect.

I don't want to badmouth anyone. I just want to share my experiences from the party finder.
- Tanks that only use def cds after they've taken damage.
- Tanks that don't use def cds or group mitigation at all and make you sweat with every tankbuster.
- Sages who frequently cast Prognosis, even when the group is 3/4 full and my hot is still ticking and there's no danger in sight. They were often oom.
- Healers who only do damage and you can heal alone in week 1 and 2. Yes, even as a shield healer you have co-healers who prefer to just do damage.
- DDS very often need additional healing for some reason.

There were also good healers, dds and tanks, but not once together in a party.
All of this happened more than a few times. It was a recurring theme from P1s to P7s and it didn't matter if it was a reclear or practice party. In P7s i just had enough and gave up on savage.

[Aravell]

Mm.. I can agree.
In a broad viewpoint someone who plays a healer is a "victim" of the circumstances.
And then they act in a way to make others victims of those actions.
But if that's the only way they believe that SE will listen, who am I to stop them. Not that I could if I even tried.
I just don't think that SE has been ignoring healers or their feedbacks.
I think that tanks and healers are as they are today because people years ago complained about how anxiety inducing and stressful playing a tank / healer was, so SE simplified them.
And this is the result of SE listening from back then.

We keep being told that we're making others victims, except we're not.

This strike is no different than if a number of healer mains decided to level a DPS instead of a healer first, and since it's a double DPS expansion, you'd have been feeling the queue times anyway.

Just because we tended to play healers before doesn't mean we're locked into that role permanently.

[TBerry]

Just some of my personal responses to the things I've heard since this started. Quite a few of these are redundant with responses already made by people in the thread. I'm not even strawmanning with these. Every single one of these points has been said by someone criticizing #FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE. It's quite...uh....astonishing...let's say that...astonishing.

A: Healers are really dumb, therefore they deserve to have the simplest rotation possible.
B: Okay, well you can play any job in this game at any time. So the people who play healers also play DPS and tanks, so we need to logically demand those rotations get dumbed down to match healer.

A: Healers have so many tools and need to have easy rotations because their job is to correct the party's mistakes.
B: Okay. If dungeons are so easy to be done without healers, then you don't really need a healer to correct mistakes. Additionally, in ultimates and savages how are you supposed to "fix people's mistakes" when 80% of mistakes just flat out cause a wipe. They even disabled healer res in Criterion, and res is entirely disabled from Criterion (savage).

A: If you want an engaging healer experience then go do Ultimate. (Yikes, this is also straight from Yoshi-P....)
B: I should not have to do the literal hardest content in the game to enjoy a role. A role should be enjoyable at all difficulties to a high degree. And even then, by striking aren't healers doing exactly what you're telling them to do? Hecking off because they don't find certain content engaging?

A: I'm just going to use trusts then, lol (Zepla literally said this)
B: Okay, have fun queuing your roulettes with trusts I guess?

A: Dungeons aren't designed to be fun, they are designed to be easy.
B: Okay that's just another reason not to queue into dungeons as healer? It's kinda the point that it's boring and too easy? ???

A: (In response to the Xeno video of the first dungeon getting cleared during the media tour with no healer) It's only the first dungeon of the expansion that was cleared without healers. It's supposed to be easy.
B: Uh. Tower of Zot and Holminster Switch are easily the two hardest leveling dungeons for trash pulls in their respective expansions.

A: Your healer strike will never work! It'll not even make an impact!
B: Okay. Still not queuing for your roulettes, because it sucks.

A: Your healer strike is just disruptive and spiteful towards people who just want to run content!
B: But I thought....

It's still low hanging fruit.

[SamLeens]

Here’s an example of a single digit grey AST on P12SP2, it’s still overwhelmingly malefic and combust

That's a lot, and the fact that it's single digit grey is almost more shocking.

[Payadopa]

It's a feedback forum. People are providing feedback. "It won't amount to anything". Yeah, tell that to all Vieras for example. The race that came about because enough people requested it. And on the subject of the battle system, YoshiP himself said the current system has no room to grow anymore so they need to change it. Now people are providing feedback. In a feedback forum.
Feedback. Forum. xD

[Evergrey]

We keep being told that we're making others victims, except we're not.

This strike is no different than if a number of healer mains decided to level a DPS instead of a healer first, and since it's a double DPS expansion, you'd have been feeling the queue times anyway.

Just because we tended to play healers before doesn't mean we're locked into that role permanently.

What you just said is exactly how I see about this Strike.
If you take away the word "Strike", and the (more or less) organized gathering of it, it's just people who think a job is boring and switches to something more enjoyable.
So in the end, those who comment "play something else if you don't like healer" won said argument.
It is how people try to organize a strike that they know (and some expect and hope) will effect others who have nothing to do with it, innocent players who might not even know this whole thing is going on in the forums.

[Arthur_M]

There's never been a time that a job has been nonviable in ffxiv. I'm sure they could do a fine job of it.

Tell that to HW PLD and MNK

[Aravell]

Tell that to HW PLD and MNK

HW PLD and MNK were never non-viable, they were non-optimal, there is a difference.

You could clear content just fine with both of them.

[PercibelTheren]

That doesnt matter and once again you attack me, this is extremely toxic and vile and is back of fourth of constant bickering, there's no real ideas in this thread only one side attacking the other.

You healers attacking anyone who comes in disagreeing with you, you don't try and dicuss, you outright attack and of course there's there trolls coming in here mocking you but instead of ignoring them you engage and attack further.

I tried to make a consensus about 100 pages back now to see if I could get an inline idea of what everyone wants, I got 1 response that was honest and had reasons with what changes they would like to see, everyone else engaged the trolls and continued bickering.

You have all doomed your own post because if I was a dev coming in here trying to see the feedback I would just see players bickering and check out, I honestly dont blame the devs thus far for not acknowledging this.

I'm sorry, but you came into this thread guns blazing, argued with people and now you are complaining when someone words a response to you a little strongly? Really?