#FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

[KageTokage]

You don't even need to force it on people to make them upset and uncomfortable in this community.

There's been multiple people coming in and belittling the whole thing presumably because they're averse to change and criticism...though often additionally because they don't want to bother reading any of the posts to understand what people are even upset about.

[Supersnow845]

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And you’ll find that people are fine with doing more healing……..but they won’t increase healing requirements. We spend 99% of our time doing DPS because the game gives us nothing else to do and savage DPS checks enforce healers doing like 18% of the raids total damage

What else are we supposed to do. We’ve asked for more healing and they won’t give it to us. Asking for more complex DPS at least is way easier to implement

[Rozeee]

Personally, I'm not on board with this movement as I believe that healers' priority should always be healing, and I disagree fundamentally with the "green dps" idea that some people think should apply to healers. I also heal, and I nearly always find it to be very enjoyable and engaging. Depending on the group, duty you're doing, the experience will vary, but I believe that's an inherent facet of the role, and not just the healer role, any role. I've even seen groups complete content without any Tanks before, just having the party composed of DPS and the healer(s).

For a large amount of the playerbase healers will be needed and they will be cherished, because a large amount of the playerbase isn't equipped with gear at or near the maximum iLvl along with materia, and they will totally understandably make frequent mistakes while playing (such as standing in AOEs, forgetting a mechanic, etc.) because they're human, and healers are needed for this.

Also, to go back to that green dps belief for a second, what makes me even more averse to it is the fact that I've seen with my own eyes how much toxicity has sprouted from it.
It's now become commonplace on this forum/Reddit/etc. to ridicule and frankly, bully other players because they don't agree with the idea that they should be prioritizing DPS if they're not playing a DPS. It's now become commonplace for people to perpetuate the untrue belief that "In Final Fantasy 14, every class is a DPS. If you don't like this, play WoW", even though Yoshida-san, the director of the game, has made it clear in the past that healers aren't really expected to DPS in this game (which, was met with rudeness and callousness by many on Reddit upon learning this) and now, with the changes made in ShB and beyond, the game has made it even more clear that healers aren't dps, which many people are once again responding to with poor attitudes, vitriol, and toxicity.

I agree that that people shouldn't be rude in whatever forum they are in, but I disagree with the green DPS point. If healers aren't supposed to DPS then the game shouldn't treat us as if we're supposed to DPS. You cannot pass DPS checks on savage onwards without both healer DPS-ing. I don't personally care about which direction the development team adopts, but to say that this is a "mentality" or an "idea" is not an accurate representation. It's just fact that the game wants us to DPS.

[TheDustyOne]

Also, to go back to that green dps belief for a second, what makes me even more averse to it is the fact that I've seen with my own eyes how much toxicity has sprouted from it.
It's now become commonplace on this forum/Reddit/etc. to ridicule and frankly, bully other players because they don't agree with the idea that they should be prioritizing DPS if they're not playing a DPS. It's now become commonplace for people to perpetuate the untrue belief that "In Final Fantasy 14, every class is a DPS. If you don't like this, play WoW", even though Yoshida-san, the director of the game, has made it clear in the past that healers aren't really expected to DPS in this game (which, was met with rudeness and callousness by many on Reddit upon learning this) and now, with the changes made in ShB and beyond, the game has made it even more clear that healers aren't dps, which many people are once again responding to with poor attitudes, vitriol, and toxicity.

Because mathematically it's wrong for healers to not be DPSing in Extreme and Savage, otherwise enrage hits and no one clears. What Yoshi-P has said and what the game is designed for are currently in conflict. The removal of the damage buttons has led to an adverse effect where people have had a playstyle they enjoyed ripped from them, and asking for it back is somehow "disrespectful"? What about those who decided to have it ripped from them? Weren't they being disrespectful? Why does it only go one way?

[Kes13a]

I suspect a lot of the healers striking are already donuts to begin with.

everyone is entitled to their own opinions and you are entitled to yours and I respect that.

but something to consider, since you think healing is super easy and only "donuts" are likely healers... how much of a "donut" is needed to play a job thats functionally invincible? I would say that you dont have to be very good to just mash a few buttons to survive most anything. just something to consider is all. its all perspective....

[Winge]

Ya'll complaining before dawntrail is even out. They have acknowledged that content should be harder, they have taken a few steps in adding some gcds to some healers. They won't do a whole revamp of the healer role 2 weeks before dawntrail. I've healed for about 18 years and I know where you guys are coming from.

For the healbots
I'm trying to give out current solutions for those who want more healing ie criterion>ultimate>min il old savages. I know this isn't what you wanna hear but unfortunately right now this is a very scripted game and I would say that wow is much better in this regard in having more spikes of damage and reactivity. With them increasing the tank mits I suspect that it will mean tank busters are going to do a lot more to compensate. Should we be casting medica 2 half the time? No but I think it should be required after raidwides if not overgeared

For people wanting extra dps buttons
Pros
-More fun and it seems like a direction they might be going
Cons
-Takes time to develop (they just made an expansion)
-Bigger skill gap making tuning harder (either it becomes too easy at high end because they miscalculate how good players are or becomes hard for the semi-hardcore/casual raiders to meet dps checks)
-It's not as simple as adding 123 to make it fun to dps as healer (if you think that is all it takes then you will be very much mistaken when all you get is button bloat for no reason)
-They aren't bringing back stances considering they have seraph strike in bozja and still not in game so you need a different solution

[Supersnow845]

Ya'll complaining before dawntrail is even out. They have acknowledged that content should be harder, they have taken a few steps in adding some gcds to some healers. They won't do a whole revamp of the healer role 2 weeks before dawntrail. I've healed for about 18 years and I know where you guys are coming from.

For the healbots
I'm trying to give out current solutions for those who want more healing ie criterion>ultimate>min il old savages. I know this isn't what you wanna hear but unfortunately right now this is a very scripted game and I would say that wow is much better in this regard in having more spikes of damage and reactivity. With them increasing the tank mits I suspect that it will mean tank busters are going to do a lot more to compensate. Should we be casting medica 2 half the time? No but I think it should be required after raidwides if not overgeared

For people wanting extra dps buttons
Pros
-More fun and it seems like a direction they might be going
Cons
-Takes time to develop (they just made an expansion)
-Bigger skill gap making tuning harder (either it becomes too easy at high end because they miscalculate how good players are or becomes hard for the semi-hardcore/casual raiders to meet dps checks)
-It's not as simple as adding 123 to make it fun to dps as healer (if you think that is all it takes then you will be very much mistaken when all you get is button bloat for no reason)
-They aren't bringing back stances considering they have seraph strike in bozja and still not in game so you need a different solution

We are complaining because this is overflow from complaints we have had since ShB media tour, this didn’t materialise overnight, they had our feedback from ShB to change EW, they doubled down, they had our feedback from ShB and EW to change DT, they tripled down

[ty_taurus]

With all due respect. I saw many of your, and others' replies from the EN forum get removed by the JP forum for being rude/disrespectful/etc. and even as I've been reading through a lot of the replies on this thread, I'm seeing the same disrespectful & rude attitudes almost constantly.

I don't know who specifically other than two people have been rude over in JP, but I can tell you one of those was going to JP to trash talk the people in favor of the strike. The other person... That person seems more of someone on their own agenda and is kind of obnoxious. I would just ask that you hold the individual accountable for their actions rather than the group. No one is telling people they need to go harass JP forums or condoning that.

[ForsakenRoe]

Something WoW has rather often are debuffs that will trigger mechanics either when they time out or immediately when they're dispelled, and I'd like to see stuff like that in XIV as well.

It adds an extra layer of complexity to dispelling because you need to time it so it doesn't end up killing people or using it to resolve a different mechanic instead of just being something you want gone ASAP.

I assume you're on about the debuffs that are, like, 'you explode and deal X damage to raid when this debuff is removed or expires', like Patch from TOP it would require the players to stagger out when the 'debuff cleanse' occurs, else the damage will come in too fast to handle. It's a good idea and I'm not sure why the devs haven't done a version that is based on the Healer choosing when to have the damage come out (instead of the positioning-based variants we have currently)

[mellii]

Ya'll complaining before dawntrail is even out. They have acknowledged that content should be harder, they have taken a few steps in adding some gcds to some healers. They won't do a whole revamp of the healer role 2 weeks before dawntrail. I've healed for about 18 years and I know where you guys are coming from.

For the healbots
I'm trying to give out current solutions for those who want more healing ie criterion>ultimate>min il old savages. I know this isn't what you wanna hear but unfortunately right now this is a very scripted game and I would say that wow is much better in this regard in having more spikes of damage and reactivity. With them increasing the tank mits I suspect that it will mean tank busters are going to do a lot more to compensate. Should we be casting medica 2 half the time? No but I think it should be required after raidwides if not overgeared

For people wanting extra dps buttons
Pros
-More fun and it seems like a direction they might be going
Cons
-Takes time to develop (they just made an expansion)
-Bigger skill gap making tuning harder (either it becomes too easy at high end because they miscalculate how good players are or becomes hard for the semi-hardcore/casual raiders to meet dps checks)
-It's not as simple as adding 123 to make it fun to dps as healer (if you think that is all it takes then you will be very much mistaken when all you get is button bloat for no reason)
-They aren't bringing back stances considering they have seraph strike in bozja and still not in game so you need a different solution

if I understood it correctly this is about hopefully getting a message across that will influence the 8.0 development. I don't think anyone here is expecting changes in 2 weeks (or early Dawntrail). At least not as far as I saw.