#FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

[Mistress_Irika]

I don't think this is gonna work out in the way you guys think it will. If it's true that healers are unneeded, what does going on strike do? The point of going on strike is that you ARE needed but are being treated unfairly.

I suspect all that will happen is maybe queue times get a little longer(not very likely) or people that don't main healer will just switch to healer for the queue times.

If anything this may work in the opposite way you imagine cause there will always be newbie healers ready to take up the role. Basically bumping out the older people that remember how healing use to be, to replace them with new younger and less jaded faces.

Good luck either way i guess, hope it actually works out in your favor. Though i fully can see this falling into the history of this game as an irrelevant moment as soon as DT comes out, and everyone is focused on that.

Trust me. Healers are needed. If they die and your party does not consist of a summoner or red mage everyone will willingly wipe to go again. Despite classes having self-sustain majority are not going to use them to try and continue the fight without the healer unless the tank is a sadist. It's going to be a restart so that the healers can focus solely on their HP while everyone else does the damage. Healers not being needed are not the problem.

The problem is the lack of engagement. There's virtually no reward system for doing well as a healer. I'm slowly learning about raiding. So I can probably guess that the hardcore raiders probably lost this after HW (don't know, never played during that time). If not, they probably never had a rewards system to begin with. As for casual content, it was there in SB. If you needed the extra defense you had it. If the party was fine however...Mismia II, Bane, Aero III, Holy Spam for the stuns, etc. I think healers wasn't balanced then (SCH especially the more I think about it), but for the most part they were engaging.

I have healer anxiety. However, I would have continued to learn how to heal if they didn't take away the engagement part. Your current reward for keeping your team alive is to spam one button regardless of whether you're dealing with mobs or a boss. I've got out beginning of ShB expansion, and I have not went back since. All of this just to make the class more accessible...

[ZephyrMenodora]

Healer damage was already higher than tanks in shadowbringers, so sure, why not. Besides, I've seen plenty of times where shield healers are able to solo content themselves. Sure it's slow, but it's entirely 100% possible. I don't think, in normal content at least, that a healer death should guarantee a wipe. I don't think, in normal content at least, that a tank death should guarantee a wipe. Besides, I've already said in a previous post that if we're gonna go this route, then every job should get hallowed ground, and instead of being a cooldown it should be a stance that you toggle. There, now nobody's better than others. Easy.

Can you share what content a shield healer is soloing? They don't have the HP pool and built-in mitigation to withstand an onslaught. They might be able to run in circles and spam heal themselves for a while but then where is the dps? At some point they will not be able to keep up with the healing on themselves or live through certain tankbusters. So...what current content is being solo'd by a Scholar or a Sage?

[Niroken]

So for those who want cleric stance back, you really don't. That one button was not complexity, it was an inconvenience that created a subsection of healers believing that dps was a choice and not a functional necessity. Leading to lots of dead weight. You don't want cleric stance back. Please enjoy that you can switch between dps spells and healing spells freely. And knowing the stats you're stacking on your gear go towards both healing and dps

DH is what you want. You want DH on your gear. You want DH to be functional for healing too. Please focus your energy there instead of misunderstanding the fundamental concept of healer dps and thinking that you should have a GCD of nothing that makes healing spells no longer work.

I believe it was mostly the idea to bring the skill ceiling up. Cleric Stance did increase the skill ceiling more then what it is now. I believe the essence of the change requests is to bring the ceiling up because right now it's basically touching the floor. The discussion that as been going on for years is how to achieve that.

[PercibelTheren]

Yeah, pretty much. Not my fault you make poor decisions in what job you play. You all can have more dps buttons, that's completely fine, but don't touch the other roles. This isn't a hard concept to grasp. You can have your cake and eat it too, you don't need to steal someone else's cake.

Not really because the cake has been getting taken, slice by slice, by other roles, until there is barely any cake left.

[Pip_Chick]

holy

*Checks main job

That gave me a big chuckle.

[Milkbeard]

You know, for all my time here in this thread, I don't think I've seen many talk about Cleric Stance, mostly the loss of older damage buttons; Aero III, Miasma, Bane, Fluid Aura, etc. and a desire to see more DPS buttons in the future.

hey man, they're there. and it needs to be mentioned. If this thread is looked at by devs, would you really want them to read it and think cleric stance should be missed?

[Kazmarek]

Can you share what content a shield healer is soloing? They don't have the HP pool and built-in mitigation to withstand an onslaught. They might be able to run in circles and spam heal themselves for a while but then where is the dps? At some point they will not be able to keep up with the healing on themselves or live through certain tankbusters. So...what current content is being solo'd by a Scholar or a Sage?

Dungeons, mainly, though some trials are also doable. Go do it for yourself. If you're a skilled healer, you'll be able to do it just fine. Because you are a skilled healer, yes?

[Equitable_Remedy]

Gamers will literally complain for 250 pages instead of going to therapy.

[TheDustyOne]

hey man, they're there. and it needs to be mentioned. If this thread is looked at by devs, would you really want them to read it and think cleric stance should be missed?

I certainly don't doubt they exist, especially after 250 pages, but I've been here for for at least 70 of those pages and no one in those times brought it up that I could see outside you and Nirokon. It mostly tends to be just older damage buttons that are missed.

If Square looked through all 250 pages of this thread and came to the conclusion that what we wanted was Cleric Stance, they're even more tone-deaf than I expected.

[ZephyrMenodora]

Dungeons, mainly, though some trials are also doable. Go do it for yourself. If you're a skilled healer, you'll be able to do it just fine. Because you are a skilled healer, yes?

Which dungeons? Which trials? Since you have seen this "plenty of times" - what are your examples of trials and dungeons healers can solo?

I personally have never seen a healer solo a level 90 trial (or any class when it comes to an actual trial), and never have seen a healer solo a boss in a dungeon. For fun I can go try some trash pack and see how that turns out. Definitely never heard stories of people being held hostage to healers soloing bosses for 15 minutes while the team watches, if it's even possible as you say.