#FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

[ZephyrMenodora]

Paladin Identity is... actually I'm not really sure the jobs quests weren't very good,

This cracked me up more than it should have. That job's quest story felt all over the place.

[Kazmarek]

What about when I queue into a trial and both healers die, the WAR doesn't bother to try to keep any of the dps alive so they wipe to raidwides then because he's an antisocial freak we have to stay dead for 30 minutes so he can pretend like picking the immortal tank and managing not to stand in orange circles is impressing us all?

You should've played better, then. You've got two healers, why did both of them die? And if it's as simple as not standing in orange circles, why did you die in the first place?

[Kazmarek]

So what you are saying is players shouldn't have to hold healers to any standards whatsoever, and that instances should essentially be able to be completed healer-free.

Yeah, pretty much. A lot of healers I meet in roulettes are terrible anyway.

[WaxSw]

I generally agree with the sentiment that healers have an extremely small impact in casual content and need to have more to do (especially considering how ridiculous tank self-maintain is right now,) but I will personally put you in the pear wiggler if you ask for an actual damage combo and more damage buttons to maintain. Anyone asking for even more to track has never healed an ultimate or savage on-content. Healers don't need more damage buttons. They need to be made to press their GCD heals more, IMO.

Healers need more damage buttons. Even in savage easily over 50% of my total actions (GCDs and oGCDs) are pressing a single button, this is not a proper rotation nor how a job should be designed. Besides past expansions show that healers can manage more damage buttons and flow and work even better.

(Also you know, Savage is not the whole game, the role should be fun at all difficulties from msq to ultimates)

[GoatOfWar]

You should've played better, then. You've got two healers, why did both of them die? And if it's as simple as not standing in orange circles, why did you die in the first place?

You can stand in the circles and just not die as tanks anyways.

[Nyome]

I do think WAR's sustain is overpowered but Raw Intuition and Bloodwhetting are also the core identity of the job and what makes warrior so much fun.

As a WHM main (who also plays WAR), I do think they need to keep the ability but tone it down the potency a little or increase the cool down time.

Maybe there needs to be a debuff or other mechanic to decrease DPS or increaae physical/manage vulnerability after use so it's not just a no thought action that completely ignores the need for any healing. After all warrior is supposed to be sort of a berserker so it makes sense there is so punishment for going all in for a period of time.

Overall I do think jobs need some self sustainability. Especially for when not in party but any sustainability should come at some form of cost if the team isn't willing to cut back on potency or cool downs.

[Len_]

You should've played better, then. You've got two healers, why did both of them die? And if it's as simple as not standing in orange circles, why did you die in the first place?

Thanks for showing that raidwide damage is so irrelevant to tanks that even reading a post that explicitly says dps died to it you can't even fathom it exists.
You know whats really sad when I think about it? The most fun and challenge I ever have tanking in casual content is using my kit to deep DPS alive after healers go down and try to finish the duty while still tanking. That level of engagement should be what the healer role gives by default. There really truly is no trinity system in this game.

[Kazmarek]

Thanks for showing that raidwide damage is so irrelevant to tanks that even reading a post that explicitly says dps died to it you can't even fathom it exists.

As well it should be. What, you want tanks to be as squishy as dps? Raidwide damage is for the rest of the party, not the tanks. That's what tankbusters and autoattacks are for. Come on, you can do better than this.

[Niroken]

Warrior isn't a problem though. Healers have the problem. "If it ain't broke, don't fix it," y'know?

Yes, Warriors/Tanks are not the main issue as the problem has been here before the stupid amounts of buffs they got.

Healers have the problem. They basically got a leg cut off. A big part of the issue, however, is that Tanks come up to the healer and start to rub salt in the wound saying they are helping. Then you see Warrior come around the corner with a 5lb bag of salt and lemons.

[aiqa]

So, speaking from purely a warrior standpoint, I don't think the solution to making healers more interesting/more impactful is to remove a lot of sustain from other jobs, but specifically, of course, warrior. On the topic of job identity, warrior actually has one. As has been said before, it's "too angry to die." If you take away the "to die" part, you're just left with "angry," which is... certainly not nearly as appealing. Making the other tanks more like warrior in terms of sustain was probably questionable, although I do agree with the buff they gave living dead, because an invuln where you pop it and die anyway is dumb.

That's all to say, the correct solution to making anything more interesting is never going to be to make other things less interesting.

I wonder how long WAR players would hold on to that idea if the tank role ever gets diluted to the point where it's perfectly viable (optimal even) to run dungeons without tanks. And even the most difficult content is completed without tanks. And healers/dps get tools traditionally reserved for tanks, up to a point where dps/healers are better than tanks at parts of the tank role.

My guess is they wouldn't be as patient as many healers have been.

And being unkillable as a job identity is (am struggling to avoid getting insulting with this) not the best idea anyway.

Warrior isn't a problem though. Healers have the problem. "If it ain't broke, don't fix it," y'know?

Tanks taking over the healer role is very much a part of what is wrong with the healer role. I would say it's the biggest part.